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  • rational_behavior
    Member
    • Jan 2021
    • 152

    5-shot groups are pointless

    Interesting video on ballistics statistics:

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    MeatyMac
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 2000

    On my deer rifle I want to know where the cold barrel’s POI is for the first shot.

    On precision match rifles I use 10-shot groups when comparing the accuracy of different hand loads.
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    • #3
      C.G.
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 8222

      Originally posted by MeatyMac
      On my deer rifle I want to know where the cold barrel?s POI is for the first shot.

      On precision match rifles I use 10-shot groups when comparing the accuracy of different hand loads.

      Exactly what my point of view is on this matter.
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      • #4
        subscriber
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 929

        One 5-shot group means almost nothing by itself. But if you are proving zero before a hunt and that single 3 or 5-shot groups lands where you expect it, then that is enough.

        For scientific purposes, the average of ten 5-shot groups shot back to back is meaningful. You can decide if you want to let the barrel cool in between, or if it is part of a system test. So; certainly, showing just your best 5-shot group is meaningless - except for bragging, unless the other nine look very similar.

        If you are hunting, the distance between your point of aim and point of impact for a single shot means everything. Ditto for authorized bipedal applications. Forget bragging rights; good enough is good enough. Can you rely on the first shot? Do you shoot fouling shots before you start measuring groups? What about a "cold bore shot"?

        Pedantry is not good for infantry...

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        • #5
          hambam105
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2013
          • 7083

          Five shot groups are worthless when you can't hit sheet to begin with.

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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by rational_behavior
            5-shot groups are pointless
            9-Hole Reviews...
            In order to determine the "practical accuracy" of a rifle, they use 9-shot groups.
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            "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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            • #7
              C.G.
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2005
              • 8222

              Originally posted by Quiet
              9-Hole Reviews...
              In order to determine the "practical accuracy" of a rifle, they use 9-shot groups.
              The tenth ones are flyers, hence 9-shot groups.
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              • #8
                russ69
                Calguns Addict
                • Nov 2009
                • 9348

                5 shot groups do not have much statistical value but they can tell you if your gun has a chance of being a good shooter or it's got big issues.
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                • #9
                  therealnickb
                  King- Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 8932

                  Originally posted by C.G.
                  The tenth ones are flyers, hence 9-shot groups.
                  Yep.

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