CFARS Caliber Update

[jguevara_95]

Hello,

Long story short, I DROS?d an M&P Compact 2.0 as a 40S&W as it came like that when I did a trade last year. I changed the slide and barrel to a 9mm since I shoot 9mm more often and is more cost effective for me. I wanted to use it as a CCW and IA rejected it due to caliber not matching from what I DROS?d. How can I go about to update the caliber on CFARS? Not sure which report to use. Would PPT?ing to a friend and then PPT?ing back to me also work?

[Veecious]

Which IA? For research.


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[jguevara_95]

Which IA? For research.


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San Francisco PD

[Tank 57]

Was told by my IA (San Joaquin County Sheriff) any guns on my CCW must be registered to me in Ca. and unaltered. Was specifically told no SSE guns. Guns must be as DROSed.

[NorcalGSG]

First of all, that is a stupid rule/policy. Second, why don't you just put it down as a 40 and run it that way and not make a big deal out of it?
Or just go buy a 9 for the job of you're dead set on it?

[jguevara_95]

First of all, that is a stupid rule/policy. Second, why don't you just put it down as a 40 and run it that way and not make a big deal out of it?
Or just go buy a 9 for the job of you're dead set on it?

I dont have the .40 slide and barrel anymore as I sold it. Im not making a big deal since I have other guns on my CCW. Im just trying to see if I can change it, if not, then so be it. I also dont have a bunch of money laying around just to buy another off roster M&P. I agree its a weird policy but I thought as long as the serial number came back to you, then you are good to go.

[Quiet]

CFARS Caliber Update

Long story short, I DROS?d an M&P Compact 2.0 as a 40S&W as it came like that when I did a trade last year. I changed the slide and barrel to a 9mm since I shoot 9mm more often and is more cost effective for me. I wanted to use it as a CCW and IA rejected it due to caliber not matching from what I DROS?d. How can I go about to update the caliber on CFARS? Not sure which report to use. Would PPT?ing to a friend and then PPT?ing back to me also work?

The firearm needs to be DROS'd again.
^Either by doing a pawn-return or by selling it to another person.

How the firearm is configured at the time of the DROS will amend its AFS record to reflect that configuration.

These methods of updating, for CCW permit approval, has been in use for the last twenty years.

First of all, that is a stupid rule/policy.

I agree its a weird policy but I thought as long as the serial number came back to you, then you are good to go.

Under current CA laws, the issuing agency approves the handguns that are to be listed on the CA CCW permits they issue and they are allowed to utilize their own method of approval.

Currently working its way through the CA legislature is new legislation that will amend CA CCW laws to require that the handguns, that are to be listed on a CA CCW permit, to be registered to the applicant and the handgun will need to match its AFS record (pistol type, make, model, serial number, caliber, barrel length).

[riderr]

The firearm needs to be DROS'd again.
^Either by doing a pawn-return or by selling it to another person.

How the firearm is configured at the time of the DROS will amend its AFS record to reflect that configuration.

Is VOLREG still an option?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=24501181&postcount=45

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Is VOLREG still an option?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...1&postcount=45

It can be used for firearms that do not have an AFS record.
^The purpose of the Firearm Ownership Report is to voluntarily register legally owned unregistered firearms (long gun acquired/owned before 2014 and handguns that were obtained via private party transfer before 1990).

Per CA DOJ BOF, it cannot be used to "correct" a firearm's current AFS record.

In any case, it may take 6-24 months, after payment is cashed in by CA DOJ, before it is processed and the AFS record is created.

[jguevara_95]

So easiest way would be to PPT and then PPT again back to me?

[Grendel Guy]

The pawn shop route?

[jguevara_95]

I dont think I have any pawn shop FFLs here in the SF peninsula.

[Quiet]

So easiest way would be to PPT and then PPT again back to me?

Option A.
The pawn-return:
1. Go to a pawn store that deals in firearms and pawn your handgun.
2. A few days later, you return to the pawn store and pay back the pawn loan.
3. The pawn store will then transfer (DROS/10 day wait/1 in 30 day wait) the handgun back to you.

What happens with a pawn-return...
1. Pawn item for a money loan.
2. Pay back the money loan and you receive the item back.
3. Depending on how long you pay back the money loan will determine how much interest you need to pay when you pay back the money loan.
4. If you do not pay back the money loan after a set amount of time, the pawn store will then sell the item to recoup their money.
5. Legally, a pawn store cannot sell a firearm within 30 days of it being pawned.
~ A pawn store can only sell off-Roster handguns to exempt persons, so the money loan you get for an off-Roster handgun is typically 1/3 to 1/2 of the MSRP of the off-Roster handgun.

Pawn-return cost = pay back money loan amount + pay interest on the money loan + pay CA DROS fees.


Option B.
Sell your firearm and buy another firearm:
1. Find a buyer for your handgun.
2. Go to a CA FFL dealer and transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) the handgun from you to another person via PPT.
3. Use the money from the sale, to buy a new handgun.


Option C.
Trade your handgun with another person:
1. Find a buyer for your handgun that has a handgun they are selling that you want.
2. Go to a CA FFL dealer and transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) your handgun from you to the other person via PPT.
3. Go to a CA FFL dealer and transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) the handgun from the other person to you via PPT.


Option D.
Selling it and buying it back:
1. Find a buyer for your handgun.
2. Go to a CA FFL dealer and transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) the handgun from you to another person via PPT.
3. Sometime after that person completes the transfer, that person changes their mind and sells the handgun back to you.*
4. Go to CA FFL dealer and transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) the handgun from the other person to you via PPT.

*After the buyer acquires the firearm, they can choose to keep the firearm and not sell it back to you.
~If the intent is for you to get back the firearm, then this process can be considered an illegal structured transfer under CA laws [PC 27515 and 27520] and an illegal straw purchase under Federal laws [18 USC 922(a)(6)].

[jguevara_95]

Thank you so much on the information. Like I said before, if its a big process, I will just keep it and not use it as a CCW as I have other handguns on there. Down the road, if I find something to trade for, I will.

[NorcalGSG]

Thank you so much on the information. Like I said before, if its a big process, I will just keep it and not use it as a CCW as I have other handguns on there. Down the road, if I find something to trade for, I will.

I already suggested the easiest thing, just put your 40 parts back in and use it as a 40. Done. Doesn't mean you can't practice with it later with your 9 parts on it.