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  • becxlt
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2019
    • 34

    AR Pistol Lower

    Greetings.


    Can A legally acquired AR pistol lower be turned into a featureless 16" rifle?

    I've been out of the Loop for some time ...
  • #2
    enorbit3
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 2655

    Yes. But once you make a rifle out of it, it can then never be a pistol. It's an irreversible process.
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    • #3
      tabascoz28
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2016
      • 3364

      Depends on which route you mean by turn into. Can you just slap a 16" upper and a stock? I think semi pistols can't have shrouded\threaded barrels no matter how long so mag lock necessary. No stock for sure. And even in rifle form you have to watch for AW features.

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      • #4
        edgerly779
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2009
        • 19871

        ^^ Wrong. Can have threaded barrel on ar pistol

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        • #5
          sigstroker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2009
          • 19675

          Originally posted by tabascoz28
          Depends on which route you mean by turn into. Can you just slap a 16" upper and a stock? I think semi pistols can't have shrouded\threaded barrels no matter how long so mag lock necessary. No stock for sure. And even in rifle form you have to watch for AW features.
          It turns into a rifle with a stock and long barrel.

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          • #6
            becxlt
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2019
            • 34

            Thanks for all the replies ....

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            • #7
              ar15robert
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2002
              • 2494

              Originally posted by enorbit3
              Yes. But once you make a rifle out of it, it can then never be a pistol. It's an irreversible process.
              In ca?? I know in az I can build a pistol first then to rifle then back to pistol. I made both my stripped lowers into pistols first.

              But I?d you build a stripped lower into rifle
              First you cannot make it into a pistol.

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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30242

                Originally posted by ar15robert
                In ca?? I know in az I can build a pistol first then to rifle then back to pistol. I made both my stripped lowers into pistols first.

                But I?d you build a stripped lower into rifle
                First you cannot make it into a pistol.
                CA SBR/SBS laws are stricter than Federal SBR/SBS.
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                • #9
                  ar15robert
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 2494

                  Originally posted by Quiet
                  CA SBR/SBS laws are stricter than Federal SBR/SBS.
                  I know ca is strict but what if it?s a pistol tubed buffer vs an amnesty braced(which I know is not legal in ca now)?

                  I was gonna mag lock one of my lowers so I can take to ca if I camped with family over there but with new brace laws I decided to pass on it.

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                  • #10
                    SkyHawk
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 23518

                    Originally posted by enorbit3
                    Yes. But once you make a rifle out of it, it can then never be a pistol. It's an irreversible process.
                    That mainly only applies in CA. He could leave the state and make it a pistol again, so not irreversible.

                    That said, why not buy a $50 lower and avoid any hassle. A better question, why don't you already have a stash of lowers? You should always add a $50 lower whenever you can when doing a DROS for something else. Whenever I buy, new or PPT - I am looking for a value lower to add if they have one in stock. I love Anderson lowers.
                    Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-27-2023, 10:07 AM.
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                    • #11
                      olddirtygerm
                      Member
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 374

                      I bet a pistol lower is worth a bit more in California. just buy a new lower and keep or sell the pistol lower (if you can still do that in CA)

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                      • #12
                        townbound
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 264

                        Originally posted by olddirtygerm
                        I bet a pistol lower is worth a bit more in California. just buy a new lower and keep or sell the pistol lower (if you can still do that in CA)
                        It's definitely worth a lot more. I paid $600 for one last year and that is considered reasonable, I've seen many for sale for $1000+. So I totally agree with you, if its registered as a Semi-automatic handgun in CA, just buy a cheap lower and build your rifle.
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                        • #13
                          IVC
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 17594

                          Originally posted by becxlt
                          Greetings.


                          Can A legally acquired AR pistol lower be turned into a featureless 16" rifle?

                          I've been out of the Loop for some time ...
                          As others pointed out, it's somewhat of an irreversible process with some fishy loopholes both based on location of where the conversion happens and whether anyone can prove any conversion happened at any time.

                          In reality, the advice above about getting another lower is by far the best route. There is little point in pushing legal limits, playing interpretations games or relying on the inability of the state to prove a case while knowingly doing something that is against the law (the justification being that the law itself is unconstitutional and that, if prosecuted, you'd get vindicated in the end).
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