IR laser/illuminator Testing - Sacramento

[foreppin916]

What?s up Calguns

Just got a great spec?ed elbit thin filmed PVS14.

Have it helmet setup complete (for now)

I?m looking into IR laser/illuminators, but have 0 in person experience. You can watch all the YouTube videos in the world, but when you?re spending this much money, I want to at least see what I?m getting.

Anyone in the great Sacramento area, or within 45 minutes that has any IR laser unit I could see under nods?

Any feedback about LAMs that you have experience with helps as well.

Heavily leaning toward a Dbal D2 as I have private property where I can shoot to 500 yards.

[dousan]

Civ stuff
Raid
Dbal d2
Or Mawl

I use a Mawl, but I?d consider those others I?d set up a second rifle.

https://usnightvision.com/contact-us/

These guys are in Roseville?call and ask, I?m sure some employees would be happy to show off their gear!

[hermosabeach]

Crimson trace use to make a rail mount lower power IR laser.

It was discontinued
IR only - no chance of an ND of visible light nor green laser.

I think the IR laser has a very limited civilian / police market.

Streamlight 69191 TLR-VIR II Visible LED/IR Illuminator/IR Laser with Rail Locating Keys and CR123A Lithium Battery - Coyote - 300 Lumens https://a.co/d/hGrwrhO

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/holosun-ls321g-co-axial-green-laser-ir-laser-and-ir-iluminator-black/FC-605930624656.html

I like lower power IR as I'm not trying to shoot further than handgun distances with NVG.

Do you want 1500 lumen for a flashlight in your home to blind and reflect everything or enough light for the job?

[foreppin916]

Civ stuff
Raid
Dbal d2
Or Mawl

I use a Mawl, but I?d consider those others I?d set up a second rifle.

https://usnightvision.com/contact-us/

These guys are in Roseville?call and ask, I?m sure some employees would be happy to show off their gear!

Thanks for the feedback man! Ill give them a call today!

[foreppin916]

Crimson trace use to make a rail mount lower power IR laser.

It was discontinued
IR only - no chance of an ND of visible light nor green laser.

I think the IR laser has a very limited civilian / police market.

Streamlight 69191 TLR-VIR II Visible LED/IR Illuminator/IR Laser with Rail Locating Keys and CR123A Lithium Battery - Coyote - 300 Lumens https://a.co/d/hGrwrhO

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/holosun-ls321g-co-axial-green-laser-ir-laser-and-ir-iluminator-black/FC-605930624656.html

I like lower power IR as I'm not trying to shoot further than handgun distances with NVG.

Do you want 1500 lumen for a flashlight in your home to blind and reflect everything or enough light for the job?

Trying to have something variable similar to a D2 with a diffuser or a MAWL.

My family has a few hundred acres and I intend to run nods there and can shoot out to 500 yards. But most use would be 50 meters and in.

I look into those options. appreciate the feedback!

[D.A.V.I.D.]

I’ve owned a D2 and currently have a mawl. I only have the mawl because I got it for cheap a few months ago and it was the newest model and made last year. I wouldn’t pay the full price for one unless the money really isn’t an issue for you to spend. Between the guys I shoot with I feel like I’ve seen or used most of them and some full power units too. Haven’t seen a full power mawl though. I think the d2 and mawl perform at just about the same level it’s just the controls on the mawl are so much better than any other option they’re intuitive and easy to use and know what you have it on in the dark. The others all suck at that. The persts are excellent but buying something from Russia makes me extra nervous right now. With dbals if you use switches make sure you’re careful when removing them, have seen a couple get damaged and need to be sent into Steiner because the spot it plugs into got rips out with the plug. When I bought mine used it came with a modswitch and that one was very tight. Ended up getting a Unity switch that wasn’t as tight but still was always very careful if I unplugged it.

[foreppin916]

I?ve owned a D2 and currently have a mawl. I only have the mawl because I got it for cheap a few months ago and it was the newest model and made last year. I wouldn?t pay the full price for one unless the money really isn?t an issue for you to spend. Between the guys I shoot with I feel like I?ve seen or used most of them and some full power units too. Haven?t seen a full power mawl though. I think the d2 and mawl perform at just about the same level it?s just the controls on the mawl are so much better than any other option they?re intuitive and easy to use and know what you have it on in the dark. The others all suck at that. The persts are excellent but buying something from Russia makes me extra nervous right now. With dbals if you use switches make sure you?re careful when removing them, have seen a couple get damaged and need to be sent into Steiner because the spot it plugs into got rips out with the plug. When I bought mine used it came with a modswitch and that one was very tight. Ended up getting a Unity switch that wasn?t as tight but still was always very careful if I unplugged it.

Great info!

Is the D2 noticeably heavier than the mawl? Does it drastically change the balance of your rifle?

Are you using a riser with your optic so it can see over the d2?

[D.A.V.I.D.]

The d2 is 2oz heavier, I didn’t really notice any difference though. Yeah you’re adding weight up front so it feels different than a rifle without one plus I have a light up front below it. I have Unity height on all my non magnified optics and 1.93 for LPVO. I had already switched to higher mounts before getting into night vision and could never go back.

[foreppin916]

The d2 is 2oz heavier, I didn?t really notice any difference though. Yeah you?re adding weight up front so it feels different than a rifle without one plus I have a light up front below it. I have Unity height on all my non magnified optics and 1.93 for LPVO. I had already switched to higher mounts before getting into night vision and could never go back.

About 6 months ago before I got into NVG I bought a 1.93 for my T1. Was running a 1.57 Scalarworks before. I love that height
And could never go back now. Just wondering if that will clear a D2 completely, or if it will still be visible in the bottom 1/4 of the optic. Not a huge deal though.

I spoke to John at US night vision yesterday and he?s actually going to allow me to go to their facility and look at their LAMs under nods and see what I like. They released their Designate IR-V recently and some people had complaints about the diffuser cap and mounting systems. They have addressed both I guess. Now I?m curious to see the Designate IRV. It used the same LED illuminator as tge D2 and is just as effective, but is lighter and ergos look much better!

[D.A.V.I.D.]

1.93 will clear it. Also if you're new to nods don't let them in light even when they're off for any time at all is my suggestion. You will read online of people doing it all the time and never had a problem. I found out the very expensive way having both my tubes ruined in about 5 minutes. I use the act in black bikini covers that stay on your nods and you just flip them down when you're not using them.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1818740

[foreppin916]

1.93 will clear it. Also if you're new to nods don't let them in light even when they're off for any time at all is my suggestion. You will read online of people doing it all the time and never had a problem. I found out the very expensive way having both my tubes ruined in about 5 minutes. I use the act in black bikini covers that stay on your nods and you just flip them down when you're not using them.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1818740

YIKES!

mine are mounted on my helmet sitting in my office in a cubby without a lens cover

However, I do have the adjustable iris set to the smallest size.

Looks like I am casing them from now on!

[D.A.V.I.D.]

Yeah even those irises don’t close all the way. Getting direct sun to the tubes is like a magnifying glass bringing heat in and burns them.

[Wlee]

Dont forget that military gets a discount when ordering from Steiner, so hit up any friends or family if you dont qualify. Had a co-worker order a Dbal-A3 for my kit and it saved me about $500 off the list price. He wound up getting a unit for himself after that as well.

[dousan]

About 6 months ago before I got into NVG I bought a 1.93 for my T1. Was running a 1.57 Scalarworks before. I love that height
And could never go back now. Just wondering if that will clear a D2 completely, or if it will still be visible in the bottom 1/4 of the optic. Not a huge deal though.

I spoke to John at US night vision yesterday and he?s actually going to allow me to go to their facility and look at their LAMs under nods and see what I like. They released their Designate IR-V recently and some people had complaints about the diffuser cap and mounting systems. They have addressed both I guess. Now I?m curious to see the Designate IRV. It used the same LED illuminator as tge D2 and is just as effective, but is lighter and ergos look much better!

Hell yeah that's awesome! They sound like a good company. Glad to hear it, because I had no idea about them.

I use a Unity riser with an Eotech (and a mawl). Have one for the T2 too. I haven't read any issues on forums w/ the Dbals with scalar or unity, you'll probably be fine.

Have fun and good luck! I find NV shooting more fun than what is already fun shooting in the day. It does have some challenges as far as movement and other things go, but it's quite enjoyable. And when you get tired, stare at stars.