Buying pistol while traveling?

[sixniner]

Howdy fellow Calgunners

Please excuse my ignorance and feel free to school me on this subject. Here is the situation, if I travel to another "free" state, is it possible for me to purchase hand gun, bring back to the Left Coast and register with the DOJ?

TIA

[liketoshoot]

In a way, yes, if it is on our "list" you can buy it but would have to have it shipped to your local FFL in CA. to complete the deal, if it is C&R and you hold a 03 ffl you can cash and carry.
I think I got this right but I'm sure you will hear more from others with more knowledge then me.

[Greg-Dawg]

Most require you to be a resident of that state to purchase. Find out where you're visiting.

[VegasND]

I do this from time to time. I carry a business card from a dealer here who wil accept it. The seller calls and is sent a copy of the receiver's FFL. You pay for the gun and shipping. When it arrives you go in, do the government paperwork and pay the dealer for their trouble (and any government theft of your $$$ because you bought a gun). It's really not difficult, but be sure to ask the dealer on your end what it's going to cost--sometimes the expense is a deal-breaker.

[Sheepdog1968]

In a way, yes, if it is on our "list" you can buy it but would have to have it shipped to your local FFL in CA. to complete the deal, if it is C&R and you hold a 03 ffl you can cash and carry.
I think I got this right but I'm sure you will hear more from others with more knowledge then me.

I've found the same info re new guns. I don't know about C&R. I spoke to Cabella's recently as there was something I wanted that was on the CA list but not in CA from the local dealers. Cabella's told me that I can buy it from them but need to then have it shipped directly to a local FFL gun dealer to get it DROS'd. Local dealers charge somewhere between $50 and $100 (they need to make a living too) plus DROS fees.

Also, there was some law passed not that long ago that required out of state dealers to have to register w CA to do this. I don't know the details behind this and others can probably help you. For Cabela's it didn't sound like it was going to be a problem.

[VegasND]

...Local dealers charge somewhere between $50 and $100 (they need to make a living too) plus DROS fees...

It always surprises me what you have to put up with in CA. Here, the average dealer charges $25 to accept and do the transfer. There's one in Pahrump that only charges $15. Henderson Defense will do up to 3 guns for $25.00. Cost in Arizona is the same as in Nevada.

While in CA last year, a Turner's employee told me they'd charge me $100 'FFL fee' to ship a gun out of state if I bought one. Needless to say, I didn't buy anything.

[rod]

It always surprises me what you have to put up with in CA. Here, the average dealer charges $25 to accept and do the transfer. There's one in Pahrump that only charges $15. Henderson Defense will do up to 3 guns for $25.00. Cost in Arizona is the same as in Nevada.

While in CA last year, a Turner's employee told me they'd charge me $100 'FFL fee' to ship a gun out of state if I bought one. Needless to say, I didn't buy anything.

Virginia is like that too. My local gun store charges $20 for out of state transfers and another two dollars (if they remember) for the background check. That's it. No DROS fees or registration fees. I haven't had to buy anything outside the state though. If I want something in particular (new gun), they'll order it if they don't have it in stock already. They can usually get a gun in stock faster than I can have someone ship one from out of state. Used guns from out of state, you'll have to pay the $22. They miss out on some nickel and dime fees I guess, but they more than make up for it by repeat customers coming back for good deals from good people. Now you got me thinking about how great this store is, I think I'm going to go buy a gun after work today.

[rod]

Federal law states that you must be a legal resident of the state where you purchase the firearm. That said when you go to a gun store in any state you have to produce driver licence for that state to prove residence.

I have people in Arizona that have bought guns for me that are not on the California safe gun list and I just keep it in their name as I can't transfer to my name in California.

This is unusual, but I am very close with the people I know in Arizona and they trust me. Short of a scenario like this it will be difficult for you to buy in another state and transfer here if you can't prove residency in that state!

Would you happen to know which law that is? All those lowers I bought from DDs Ranch might be illegal and Gunbroker is nothing but a trap! Y'all don't have to worry since those on GB won't ship to CA anyway.

I'm being a smart alek. Seriously though, what law are you thinking of? You also might want to re word your post concerning people buying guns for you out of state that are illegal in CA.

[hawk1]

I do this from time to time. I carry a business card from a dealer here who will accept it. The seller calls and is sent a copy of the receiver's FFL. You pay for the gun and shipping. When it arrives you go in, do the government paperwork and pay the dealer for their trouble (and any government theft of your $$$ because you bought a gun). It's really not difficult, but be sure to ask the dealer on your end what it's going to cost--sometimes the expense is a deal-breaker.

For the win!

You do not have to be a resident of the state to buy in that state. It must shipped to your California FFl to transfer into your name. It must be on the roster if a handgun or be exempt.

[sixniner]

Thank all for responding.
I guess buying anything not on the roster is next to impossible!

[hawk1]

Federal law states that you must be a legal resident of the state where you purchase the firearm. That said when you go to a gun store in any state you have to produce driver licence for that state to prove residence.

I have people in Arizona that have bought guns for me that are not on the California safe gun list and I just keep it in their name as I can't transfer to my name in California.

This is unusual, but I am very close with the people I know in Arizona and they trust me. Short of a scenario like this it will be difficult for you to buy in another state and transfer here if you can't prove residency in that state!

So what you have just admitted to is a felony. On a public forum as well.
You need to re-think your firearms purchases and stay on the legal side of the law.

[Ron-Solo]

I have people in Arizona that have bought guns for me that are not on the California safe gun list and I just keep it in their name as I can't transfer to my name in California.

This is unusual, but I am very close with the people I know in Arizona and they trust me. Short of a scenario like this it will be difficult for you to buy in another state and transfer here if you can't prove residency in that state!

What you are describing is referred to as a "Straw Purchase" and is a violation of Federal law and can also cost the FFL their license if they are aware that the purchaser is not going to be the real owner. When you fill out the fed forms, you are signing under penalty of perjury that you are the actual purchaser.

Be careful what you post in public forums. They are not annonymous and can be traced. Hitting the delete or edit button doesn't make things go away, it just sends them to a parallel universe that can be reached by those who know computers.

Aloha!

[Big Jake]

Not at all! It is illegal for someone to do a "Straw Purchase" This is when someone who is not a prohibited person buys a gun under the pretext of keeping it for themselves but turns around and gives/sells it to someone who is a prohibited person!

I am not a prohibited person so there is nothing wrong with this. It would be no different if you had a relative in Nevada who buys you a gun there and gives it to you for a Christmas present here in California.

As long as you are not a prohibited person then it is perfectly legal!

I know this for a fact because the person that I know in Arizona happens to be an attorney. He checked into this and it is totally legal!

[Aldemar]

I have people in Arizona that have bought guns for me that are not on the California safe gun list and I just keep it in their name as I can't transfer to my name in California.

This is unusual, but I am very close with the people I know in Arizona and they trust me. Short of a scenario like this it will be difficult for you to buy in another state and transfer here if you can't prove residency in that state!

This is the definition a of "Straw Purchase". I wouldn't put any of my friends in a situation like this. You never know what may happen.


AL

[rod]

Not at all! It is illegal for someone to do a "Straw Purchase" This is when someone who is not a prohibited person buys a gun under the pretext of keeping it for themselves but turns around and gives/sells it to someone who is a prohibited person in your scenario, you're a prohibited person!

I am not a prohibited person so there is nothing wrong with this. It would be no different if you had a relative in Nevada who buys you a gun there and gives it to you for a Christmas present here in California.Intrafamil-something or other transfers are limited to immediate family members such as parent to child...not friend to friend

As long as you are not a prohibited person then it is perfectly legal!

I know this for a fact because the person that I know in Arizona happens to be an attorney. I hope he's good and can practice in CA. You might need him to defend you.He checked into this and it is totally legal!well, I guess that makes it all right then.

I recommend you read the law a little more carefully. There's a list of guns that you are prohibited from buying from a dealer in CA. If you have someone buy you one of those guns in AZ, knowing that you are the real owner, then that is considered a straw purchase. There are legal ways to get those guns in CA without having someone in AZ buy those guns for you. Check out this thread...http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?p=453444