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  • that one guy
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1002

    When is a wind meter necessary for shooting?

    How far do you have to be shooting for a wind meter to be necessary?
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    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 57124

    Depends on the wind speed, the size of your target and the distance you are shooting and your ability to read wind speed without a meter.

    Having a wind meter will allow you to experience the feel of different wind speeds while seeing what the actual speed is.
    Enough of this as well as shooting at various distances in those conditions will eventually make you a good enough wind reader that you don't need a wind meter anymore.
    Wind meters are most useful to those least experienced with reading wind speed.
    The smaller your target in MOA or Mils, the more important the wind speed is as you can not accurately correct for wind that you don't know the speed of.
    You can certainly observe your bullet's drift from the aim point and then hold a correction, but without knowing the wind speed, you really don't know what you are doing.
    Blindly holding a correction based on the previous miss is commonly called "walking in" your shots.

    If you are missing your first shot on a target because of the wind, you probably need a wind meter and need to learn how to use it with a ballistics calculator to improve your first-shot hits.
    Last edited by ar15barrels; 12-05-2022, 6:59 PM.
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      that one guy
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1002

      This is what I’m using

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      • #4
        that one guy
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1002

        That’s what I’ve been doing is walking it in.

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        • #5
          IronsightsRifleman
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2020
          • 927

          My M1 Garand does just fine out to 400+ yards with estimated windage. I can't see the targets that well at 500+ yards through iron sights. It all depends on what your purpose is and your intended accuracy - not to mention the kind of wind that day, not much use for a wind gage if there's no wind.

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            Fjold
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 22943

            Anemometers tell you the wind speed where you are taking the reading. The wind will be different 300 yards away.

            You need to learn to read the grass and tree movement at distance. Use the "wind meter" and look at the grass, weeds, trees, etc., around you then compare it with the movement at your target. Then all you have to worry about is how the wind is in between.

            Here are the wind flags at the Cuyama 1,000 yard range. The flag at the 800 yard line is blowing right, at the 600 yard line it was blowing away from us and you can't see it but the flag at the target was blowing hard left.
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            • #7
              fish45
              Member
              • Oct 2017
              • 386

              Originally posted by Fjold
              Anemometers tell you the wind speed where you are taking the reading. The wind will be different 300 yards away.

              You need to learn to read the grass and tree movement at distance. Use the "wind meter" and look at the grass, weeds, trees, etc., around you then compare it with the movement at your target. Then all you have to worry about is how the wind is in between.

              Here are the wind flags at the Cuyama 1,000 yard range. The flag at the 800 yard line is blowing right, at the 600 yard line it was blowing away from us and you can't see it but the flag at the target was blowing hard left.
              But everyone says I need to know what it is where I'm standing. It doesn't stay the same all the way to the target?

              Your picture almost perfectly illustrates why handheld wind meters are almost useless.

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57124

                Originally posted by fish45
                But everyone says I need to know what it is where I'm standing. It doesn't stay the same all the way to the target?

                Your picture almost perfectly illustrates why handheld wind meters are almost useless.
                The value in measuring the speed of the wind around you is when you are walking around the range and learning what the grass is doing at a known wind speed that you can then observe from your firing position.
                Randall Rausch

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                  smoothy8500
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 3846

                  The old NRA windchart. Found in almost every Highpower scorebook. Most have wind dope charts for the standard 2,3,600 yard distances. Still pretty rare to see anyone with a windmeter. We all get used to calling the wind. But Randall is right, you need to observe what is happening downrange and estimate it.
                  Last edited by smoothy8500; 12-06-2022, 8:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    M1A Rifleman
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 3691

                    Originally posted by IronsightsRifleman
                    My M1 Garand does just fine out to 400+ yards with estimated windage. I can't see the targets that well at 500+ yards through iron sights. It all depends on what your purpose is and your intended accuracy - not to mention the kind of wind that day, not much use for a wind gage if there's no wind.
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                      smoothy8500
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                      • Sep 2009
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                        hambam105
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7083

                        Pair of identical range flags on the 550 yard line about 60 yards apart pointing in absolute 180 degrees apart.

                        One flag is pointing due North, the other flag is pointing due South.

                        Each flag indicates same value, same speed, but in opposite directions.

                        Now what?

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                        • #13
                          C.G.
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 8218

                          And in between those somewhere there is most likely a transition zone with zero wind surrounded by whichever direction the wind feels like before it turns into a relatively stable direction.
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                            jarhead714
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 8890

                            Probably when you’re using like a 9 iron or pitching wedge.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57124

                              Originally posted by hambam105
                              Pair of identical range flags on the 550 yard line about 60 yards apart pointing in absolute 180 degrees apart.

                              One flag is pointing due North, the other flag is pointing due South.

                              Each flag indicates same value, same speed, but in opposite directions.

                              Now what?
                              Shoot through it and wait for the spotter.
                              Or just wait for conditions you can read better.

                              I shot a 1000yd match once where the wind was perfectly cyclical.
                              We had a single flag at about 600yds.
                              I could watch a flag pulse up and down 3 times and then it would lull for a second or so.
                              This occurred about every 10 seconds.

                              I fired almost all my shots in the lull.
                              One shot I fired late and missed the end of the lull slid into the 9 ring.
                              My score ended up at 199 -13x.

                              Lesson learned: there's almost always time to wait for better conditions.
                              Randall Rausch

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                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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