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  • BarneyLongden
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2022
    • 29

    Bad ammo or issue with gun IDK???

  • #2
    baih777
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2011
    • 5680

    Try different ammo.
    Any new pistol for me. I take 3 to 5 different brands to break in the gun.
    It happens.
    Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
    I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
    I'm Back.

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    • #3
      Experimentalist
      Banned in Amsterdam
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • May 2006
      • 1171

      Without examining the gun I would speculate there may be dirt in the firing pin channel, or interfering with the firing pin safety which in turn is putting a drag on the firing pin.

      Best answer would be a detail strip of the slide followed by a deep cleaning. If you can't do that then perhaps a thorough hosing of the slide with a good solvent, followed by an effective spray lubricant.

      There are other potential causes, such as a broken firing pin, failed firing pin spring, or faulty ammo.

      Hope you resolve your issue quickly and easily.
      "An unarmed man can only flee from evil. And evil is not overcome by fleeing from it" - Col. Jeff Cooper

      "Shot placement trumps all."

      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
      Who uses 9mm for SD? Anything less than a 50BMG is stupid to use. Personally, I prefer canister rounds out of a 10lb Parrott rifle for SD.

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      • #4
        BarneyLongden
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2022
        • 29

        Originally posted by Experimentalist
        Without examining the gun I would speculate there may be dirt in the firing pin channel, or interfering with the firing pin safety which in turn is putting a drag on the firing pin.

        Best answer would be a detail strip of the slide followed by a deep cleaning. If you can't do that then perhaps a thorough hosing of the slide with a good solvent, followed by an effective spray lubricant.

        There are other potential causes, such as a broken firing pin, failed firing pin spring, or faulty ammo.

        Hope you resolve your issue quickly and easily.
        Now you have me thinking. Guess it is time to learn to dissemble all the way down. Thanks for the comments.

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        • #5
          noseyparker2u
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 517

          Do not get lub in with the striker. The striker must remain clean and dry.
          sigpic

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          • #6
            Tikka3x
            Member
            • Nov 2021
            • 201

            It's the ammo. Fiocchi uses hard primers. Google it. Known issue.

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            • #7
              Pofoo
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 1680

              Originally posted by BarneyLongden
              The firing pin left the expected indent on the primer.
              It's the ammo.
              I've shot a lot of Fiochi in the past 20+ years with 0 problems, until the last few years when I've had just a very, very, few issues. Quality control issues???

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              • #8
                ThortheDog
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 314

                It may be as simple as Tikka3x said: hard primers. I think it's common in cases like you described that a cartridge will fire on a second strike. (my experience, at least)

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                • #9
                  Kokopelli
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 3389

                  The Fiocchi 115 FMJ economy ammunition shoots very well in my S&W Shield. It is much more accurate that the cheap MagTech 9mm ball stuff as well. No failures to fire. Perhaps your pistol needs a good cleaning and lube?
                  If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan

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                  • #10
                    CoopsDad
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 1710

                    I've had Fiocchi .45 ACP fail to fire in one of my 1911's. After inspecting the round and finding a full depth indentation, I popped the round back into the magazine and tried again- it fired.

                    I won't use it as load out ammo but the failure rate is low enough to burn up as practice stuff and to let my BIL shoot.

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                    • #11
                      tabascoz28
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2016
                      • 3364

                      I've had mammer and strikers light strike or have hard primers. For my carry ammo I reload with federal primers, supposedly the softest metal and by my recollection has never misfired.

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                      • #12
                        pacrat
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2014
                        • 10283

                        The firing pin left the expected indent on the primer. I threw the first bad round away. My brother took the second one and put it in his gun and it fired.
                        Requiring a second strike is indicative of hard primers.

                        But can also be indicative of a light first strike.

                        Clean/lube and try different ammo. If no further FTF. It was the ammo.

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                        • #13
                          Packy14
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 5312

                          Fiocchi is pretty terrible.
                          NRA Lifetime Member

                          1A-2A = -1A

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                          • #14
                            gixxnrocket
                            Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 407

                            I've purchased a few used guns that did not fire or had light strikes. All except for 1 (modified sp01 that needed correct parts) had lube and build up inside the slide and on the firing pin. One, the previous owner used froglube and although smelled nice went potato on every trigger press because froglube on the pin turned to paste.

                            I would start with a complete tear down and cleaning of the slide and then try again. My shield eats everything.

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                            • #15
                              Snoopy47
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3883

                              Tinkering with guns, and tinkering with ammo loads I've come to believe the choice of ammo and gun comprise the entire package.

                              I have primers and powders I reserve for certain pistols because some are more forgiving in regard to the components being used.

                              Striker fire pistols have a lower threshold of striking power relative to say a 1911. I've spring a 1911 main spring purely for the sake of shooting Wolf Small Rifle Primers, and it works without fail, but those same primers will fail 1:3 in a Glock that I even put in a heavier striker spring with an "extended" striker.

                              It's all a balance. A 1911 can light strike just as well as a Glock/M&P. It's just that the tunability is greater to really crush those primers with a 1911.

                              Anyway.......... minimally speaking........... keep the entire gun clean like everyone is saying, and if within your means I'd even increase the striker springs where possible to increase striking power.

                              I'm always wondering when the next failure will happen when I'm at a match. So I do my best to minimize that by using the best primers I can get my hands on and reserve them for matches, use a powder that measures very reliably, and gauge check every single round I produce. Then of course always go to a match with a CLEAN GUN.

                              When it comes to trusting the gun and the ammo combination I guess nothing beats sticking with ONE preferred choice of ammo, brand, type so long as it never fails.

                              Another thing.............. Keeping the gun clean ALL THE TIME minimizes the possibility that it's the Gun when there is a malfunction. It also gives the user eyes on more parts than they otherwise would probably check, and chances are they can get things corrected before they become a problem.

                              Nothing beats reloading and keeping copious notes on components and what works in what guns and what spring rates. For those that don't reload, sick with what you know, and stack deep when you can get it cheap.
                              Last edited by Snoopy47; 11-30-2022, 4:51 PM.
                              Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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