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[CALI-gula]

Caligula, two things. First, if anyone here thinks that the gunshop would turn around and put my pistol on the counter for anything less than $1500 then you're not living in the real world.

Second, I also went to a smaller more mom and pop type shop and was offered 950 for the pistol. If everything xeno says is true, the smaller sole proprietorship shouldn't be the one offering the higher price.

I can accept $1500, it's logical, reasonable, for the pistol's condition that you described, especially because of SB15.

But it's likely you got an offer of $950 from Pop, because Pop wanted it for his collection!

And since Pop is not a stocking dealer and has no discount arrangement with H&K or wholesalers, both are out of stock, and H&K is discontinuing the P7 series, and nobody has brought one into his store in years, the only other place he has seen it has been at other stores for $1500, so he figured he could offer you $950, thus saving himself $550 plus tax.

Sounds like Pop knows what he's doing! He is actually a collector and shooting enthusiast, but has a small gun store to feed his retirement hobby of collecting guns, to make it easier. Do you know just how many Mom and Pop gunstores actually exist for this reason alone? He saw you walk through the door and got a big grin. It is just as I described above - the dealer has an advantage to obtain guns the regular Joe can't get, and gets first dibs on whatever comes through the door.

It sounds like you want fast money, but I still think you would do better to post it here or on Gunbroker for $1200. Then you still have a quick, easy sale, and you make $250 more than what Pop wanted to give you. I don't understand why you would waste your time debating it. Accept it - you're not oging to get a retail price from a dealer, but you could approach top dollar if you sell it yourself.



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[kantstudien]

I wasn't really interested in selling the pistol, but rather to ballpark it as far as retail shops go.

So you just went around wasting a dealer's time?

Get a blue book from Borders.

[kantstudien]

Asking him to do what he's paid for is hardly wasting time.

A dealer gets paid by selling guns, not doing appraisals for free.

If you never intended to actually sell the gun, then you should have done your homework online instead of bothering dealers. You will also get more money by consigning a gun rather than selling it to a dealer outright.

[CALI-gula]

Possible, but given the fact that his second question was "why would you want to sell a thing like that" and then told me the best thing would be to hold onto it for a while, I venture he wasn't looking for a collectable.

Then by that statement, he clearly admires the P7 series. Unfortunately, that is the problem with the P7s - either people love them, or they hate them (I happen to love them; I'm an H&K nut and have an early P7, P7M8, P7M10, and 2 P7M13s (each differently marked). So I would be willing to pay more, probably just like Pop. If I found a target model P9S in .45ACP with all accessories tomorrow for $1900, I would not hesitate to buy it. (I only have the Combat version).

You're missing me whole point here. I said at the very start that I understand wholsale prices and profit margins. I'm not arguing that anyone should have offered me 1500 for this pistol. I am saying that there is a difference between lowballing someone and offering a completely ridiculous price for a pistol. 600 is a ridiculous price for this pistol. Add to that the fact that everything in this dealers case is at least 150 over msrp and you've basically have a guy who's hoping that I don't know what I have and is trying to rip me off.

No, you are missing the point, but have actually stated the point I have made for yourself.

The dealers offering you $600 simply don't want it in the first place, and THAT is the reason they are giving you a ridiculous price - if it works, great, he scored. If not, oh well, they'll be some putz in line behind you that will take $500 for his NIB Colt Python Hunter. He might not want your P7 due to it being a slow seller at his store, or because he simply hates the P7 series. I don't want to buy it right now, but if you post it here for $600, man, I will be the first person to PM you! If I don't want to buy it, but you ask me what I would pay you if you were standing in front of me with it in your hand, I might say $600 (I just bought 2 other high end guns this month, so that is all about the extra cash I can spare right now). Now if I sell my PSP and my P7M8, and regret it in April, and THEN you approach me at that time, I might say $1300.

You and xeno are arguing dollars and cents, and I'm arguing good faith and fair dealing.

No, I'm not arguing at all. Their faith is not in you but in the bottom line profit - sorry, it's not an ideal world. I get what you are saying, and agreeing with you that yeah, it sucks. Dealers have the benefit of being dealers. However, fair dealing is a two way street, and you may simply be asking people that don't want to deal, even though they are called dealers. What is fair? You max profit or they do? Especially someone that doesn't want a P7? You may need to go to a few places to get that price you want. Even your own actions have proven that; you went to one dealer, and they said $600 with a sneer, you went to Pop, he spoke highly of the gun and told you $950. You might go to another dealer that sells guns across his kitchen table in Colfax, and he says $1100. You might post here, and get someone salivating for it at $1400.

All is fair in guns and score, and dealers have the upper hand on both.

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[mscales5]

Caligula, two things. First, if anyone here thinks that the gunshop would turn around and put my pistol on the counter for anything less than $1500 then you're not living in the real world.

Second, I also went to a smaller more mom and pop type shop and was offered 950 for the pistol. If everything xeno says is true, the smaller sole proprietorship shouldn't be the one offering the higher price.

I can pretty much quarantee that if I put your P7 in my place for $1500 it would be here a long time. I have not had even on person ask about a P7 in a couple years. Now, I have not looked on the internet to see what it would sell for but if they sell for $1500 there why would you even think of doing anything else? If $1500 is the selling value of your P7 then there is no way a dealer can give you that for it. Now, while I think $500 is low $600 is not out of line and a little more whould be very fair and it could be sold at $1000 in a resaonable amont of time. Car dealers don't give you low blue book for a car, they give you less, it is called dealer wholesale.