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  • CZR38Super
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2022
    • 83

    Mammoth Ivory/Molars

    Good morning.

    From why I've read, we can't buy mammoth ivory and have it shipped to CA. If I already owned it prior to moving here, am I allowed to sell it then?
  • #2
    Woodymyster
    Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 418

    Not anymore. CA used to exempt the sell ban on pre 1977 ivory, but since it was impossible to enforce the ban, they passed ab96 a few years ago and banned all sales of ivory in the state.
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    • #3
      CZR38Super
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2022
      • 83

      Thank you for the reply, that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure. Have a great weekend and stay safe out there.

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      • #4
        The Gleam
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2011
        • 12715

        Originally posted by CZR38Super
        Thank you for the reply, that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure. Have a great weekend and stay safe out there.
        Good advice: main reason I carry is to protect me and my family from mammoth.

        And being right handed, it's the primary reason I train just as thoroughly with my left hand - because my right hand is often busy dragging my wife by her hair.

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        Originally posted by Librarian
        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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        • #5
          BigPimping
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2010
          • 21460

          Try shopping in Bedrock.
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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by CZR38Super
            Good morning.

            From why I've read, we can't buy mammoth ivory and have it shipped to CA. If I already owned it prior to moving here, am I allowed to sell it then?
            Nope.

            Starting 01-01-2017...
            It is illegal to import, sell, advertise for sale, possess for sale, and buy mammoth ivory products in CA. [FGC 2022(b) and PC 653o]



            Fish and Game Code 2022
            (a) For the purposes of this section, the following terms have the following meanings:
            (1) “Bona fide educational or scientific institution” means an institution that establishes through documentation either of the following:
            (A) Educational or scientific tax exemption, from the federal Internal Revenue Service or the institution’s national, state, or local tax authority.
            (B) Accreditation as an educational or scientific institution, from a qualified national, regional, state, or local authority for the institution’s location.
            (2) “Ivory” means a tooth or tusk from a species of elephant, hippopotamus, mammoth, mastodon, walrus, warthog, whale, or narwhal, or a piece thereof, whether raw ivory or worked ivory, and includes a product containing, or advertised as containing, ivory.
            (3) “Rhinoceros horn” means the horn, or a piece thereof, or a derivative such as powder, of a species of rhinoceros, and includes a product containing, or advertised as containing, a rhinoceros horn.
            (4) “Sale” or “sell” means selling, trading, bartering for monetary or nonmonetary consideration, giving away in conjunction with a commercial transaction, or giving away at a location where a commercial transaction occurred at least once during the same or the previous calendar year.
            (5) “Total value” means either the fair market value or the actual price paid for ivory or rhinoceros horn, whichever is greater.
            (b) Except as provided in subdivision (c), it is unlawful to purchase, sell, offer for sale, possess with intent to sell, or import with intent to sell ivory or rhinoceros horn.
            (c) The prohibitions set forth in subdivision (b) do not apply to any of the following:
            (1) An employee or agent of the federal or state government undertaking a law enforcement activity pursuant to federal or state law, or a mandatory duty required by federal law.
            (2) An activity that is authorized by an exemption or permit under federal law or that is otherwise expressly authorized under federal law.
            (3) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a musical instrument, including, but not limited to, a string or wind instrument or piano, and that is less than 20 percent by volume of the instrument, if the owner or seller provides historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the item was manufactured no later than 1975.
            (4) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a bona fide antique and that is less than five percent by volume of the antique, if the antique status is established by the owner or seller of the antique with historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the antique to be not less than 100 years old.
            (5) The purchase, sale, offer for sale, possession with intent to sell, or importation with intent to sell ivory or rhinoceros horn for educational or scientific purposes by a bona fide educational or scientific institution if both of the following criteria are satisfied:
            (A) The purchase, sale, offer for sale, possession with intent to sell, or import with intent to sell the ivory or rhinoceros horn is not prohibited by federal law.
            (B) The ivory or rhinoceros horn was legally acquired before January 1, 1991, and was not subsequently transferred from one person to another for financial gain or profit after July 1, 2016.

            Penal Code 653o
            (a) It is unlawful to import into this state for commercial purposes, to possess with intent to sell, or to sell within the state, the dead body, or any part or product thereof, of a polar bear, leopard, ocelot, tiger, cheetah, jaguar, sable antelope, wolf (Canis lupus), zebra, whale, cobra, python, sea turtle, colobus monkey, kangaroo, vicuna, sea otter, free-roaming feral horse, dolphin or porpoise (Delphinidae), Spanish lynx, or elephant.
            Last edited by Quiet; 08-14-2022, 3:09 PM.
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            • #7
              george223
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 1119

              It seems everything in this state is banned except for being homeless and high on meth, illegal immigrants, and corrupt democrat politicians.

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              • #8
                ja308
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2009
                • 12660

                Originally posted by george223
                It seems everything in this state is banned except for being homeless and high on meth, illegal immigrants, and corrupt democrat politicians.
                This is deemed acceptable to California democrats , although this particular case happened near Seattle .

                From an 80 year old YMCA female member :
                "I saw a man in a woman’s bathing suit watching maybe four or five little girls pulling down their suits in order to use the toilet,” she said. “I asked if he had a penis and he said it was none of my business. I told that man to ‘get out right now.’”
                Fact is the male was allowed to stay and the old woman was forced to leave . Democrat polices at their finest .
                The 80-year-old woman who claimed that she was banned from a pool in Washington state has said that she was called a “bigot” because she said there was a man in the women’s changing area.Julie Jaman told The Daily Wire’s Morning Wire podcast that she was told she was no longer welcome at the Mountain View pool after she alleged that there was a man in a woman’s swimsuit with several young girls in the women’s area of the pool located in Port Townsend, Washington.“While I was showering on Tuesday, I heard a man’s voice, and I looked over toward the two toilets that are in that dressing area. And there was a man in a woman’s bathing suit watching four or five little girls take off their suits in order to use those toilets,” Jaman said.Jaman said that she did not know who the person was in the changing area, but that it was a man.“I just saw a person in a bathing suit. There was no identification, nothing. There’s no signage on the women’s dressing room door to expect this,” she said.She told a local outlet, the Port Townsend Free Press, that she then asked the person to leave.“There were gaps in the curtain and there I was, naked, with soap and water on me, and this guy, right there very close to me,” she said. “I asked, ‘Do you have a penis?’ He said, ‘That’s none of your business.’ That’s when I told him, ‘Get out of here, right now.’”She told Morning Wire that she was then told by a staff member, “You’re discriminating and you’re out of the pool forever,” and later told by city officials that she was a “bigot.” She said she was asked to leave following the incident in the changing room.According to a statement from Erin Hawkins, communications manager for the pool, Jaman was banned for multiple violations of the pool’s code of conduct.“Julie Jaman was permanently suspended from the Mountain View Pool due to her repeatedly violating our Code of Conduct, specifically, using disrespectful words or gestures toward YMCA staff or others; abusive, harassing and/or obscene language or gestures toward YMCA staff or others,” she told Fox News.Jaman told The Daily Wire that she has never had any violations at the pool or warnings about poor behavior. She has since started a petition to provide an alternative space for women so that they will not have to be in the same changing area as males.
                Last edited by ja308; 08-15-2022, 9:50 PM.

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                • #9
                  STEWMAN
                  Member
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 347

                  So I can sell this since it's an antique?

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                  • #10
                    Jimi Jah
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 18975

                    All Parts sells mammoth bone guitar nuts. No ban to ship here as far as I know.

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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30242

                      Originally posted by STEWMAN
                      So I can sell this since it's an antique?
                      Fish and Game Code 2022
                      (c) The prohibitions set forth in subdivision (b) do not apply to any of the following:
                      (4) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a bona fide antique and that is less than five percent by volume of the antique, if the antique status is established by the owner or seller of the antique with historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the antique to be not less than 100 years old.

                      Originally posted by Jimi Jah
                      All Parts sells mammoth bone guitar nuts. No ban to ship here as far as I know.
                      Fish and Game Code 2022
                      (c) The prohibitions set forth in subdivision (b) do not apply to any of the following:
                      (3) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a musical instrument, including, but not limited to, a string or wind instrument or piano, and that is less than 20 percent by volume of the instrument, if the owner or seller provides historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the item was manufactured no later than 1975.
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                      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                      • #12
                        edgerly779
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 19871

                        I have a bunch of netskes I brought back overseas. Some are 200 years old.

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                        • #13
                          krb
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 1089

                          Originally posted by STEWMAN
                          So I can sell this since it's an antique?
                          Hey hey hey!!!
                          Handgun safety rule two!!!

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                          • #14
                            krb
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 1089

                            Is the California government worried if selling Mammoth is legal it will increase poaching and Mammoths may become extinct?

                            Because I have something to tell them.

                            About Mammoths.

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                            • #15
                              krb
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 1089

                              So not illegal to possess it appears.

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