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  • #31
    SharedShots
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2021
    • 2277

    Guns are used over 500,000 times a year in self defense situations. Its likely far north of that number.

    Conclusions based on watching 200 some odd videos?

    If the conclusions were valid one of the first things you do is lose the red dot, you're more likely to need a bomb shelter than a red dot.

    The most important SD situations are the ones you'll never see on a video and no, watching those available is not better than nothing. When people watch these videos and then use them to formulate conclusions as was done here and its dangerous. Most of these videos are often narrated by just who? They tell, you listen, the seed for their interpretation is planted.

    Lets take one of the conclusions and relate it to another:

    "12. For some reason, people under stress don't shoot through concealment when the round would easily go through and hit the bad guy."

    Absolutely amazing anyone would utter such a thing. There are plenty of reasons but that never comes up in the conclusion does it? The word concealment means what? Hidden from view right? Now for those carrying around periscopes, pay attention to #11 which states:

    "11. Multiple attackers are common."

    Now take #11 and # 12 and put them together. Anyone see the Obvious?

    If you are concealed you aren't in a position to see everything you need to see without becoming unconcealed. Someone no doubt will say you might be able to see the BG. Ok, fine. Will you be able to see them all? Will you be able to see other people that might be moving and get in the way of your shot as you take it? Apparently there is this idea that someone moving can't move into the line of fire between the time you pull that trigger and the gun fires because no one ever gets shot that way, right? It can and does happen and not understanding that is the dangerous part.

    You see, the conclusion was that if you can shoot through concealment its something you can and should do. Go ahead and read #12 again and see if that isn't the obvious conclusion, it's stated plainly.

    How do you know the criteria used to select the videos, the totality of event and what the final result was?

    and just so you know, it's not war and not everyone on the other side of concealment is the enemy. Yes, the conclusion was presented as a recommendation. The rest of the conclusions are just as dangerous if you think they represent anything other than entertainment of some kind.

    Almost all the other conclusions are flawed as well.
















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    Last edited by SharedShots; 03-26-2022, 6:30 PM.
    Let Go of the Status Quo!

    Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

    Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

    Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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    • #32
      Rcjackrabbit
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 971

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      • #33
        k1dude
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2009
        • 14523

        Originally posted by k1dude
        IIRC, BJ Baldwin's shootout with 2 bad guys was at about 25 yards.
        18 shots were fired. 10 were fired by BJ with 10 hits. The bad guy kept shooting until BJ's 10th shot, which was a CNS hit, putting a stop to the fight.

        It shows how a determined adversary can keep fighting despite 9 hits with 9mm defensive hollow points.
        "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

        "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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        • #34
          SharedShots
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2021
          • 2277

          Originally posted by Rcjackrabbit
          Shared****s, you are an ***. I study real life. I told you what happens not what I wish the world to be.

          Videos are not my only input to fighting. I have been shooting and training 30 years at numerous schools. I have black belts in karate and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I train 6-7 days a week.

          I’ll bet you are a fat loser who hasn’t seen his weiner in a decade living in your moms basement.

          Get some manners assclown
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          On second thought, I'll let your reply speak the volume I was going to post.





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          Last edited by SharedShots; 03-26-2022, 9:56 PM.
          Let Go of the Status Quo!

          Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

          Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

          Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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          • #35
            XDJYo
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2012
            • 6571

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            • #36
              Epaphroditus
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2013
              • 4888

              Didn't watch any vids but will replay my personal experience.

              Greylodge duck hunting. (Know your environment- everyone is armed).

              Two dudes walking on a berm - one wearing blaze orange vest. (Never underestimate the stupidity of "that guy").

              "Hey, take that vest off or get into cover" (evidently these are fighting words).

              Vest boy lowers his shot, points at a member of our party and click off the safety- strange how loud that was (expect the unexpected)

              All six of us rise out of cover and respond in kind (easily could have justifiably fired but we all showed restraint due to common decency)

              Vest boy and friend beat a hasty retreat (even idiot can have a moment of clarity)

              Moral: friends with arms acting in unison is good.

              Many lessons to be learned in every moment.

              This wasn't in modern degenerated times but about 1976ish. A defining moment for me.
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              • #37
                k1dude
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2009
                • 14523

                Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                Didn't watch any vids but will replay my personal experience.

                Greylodge duck hunting. (Know your environment- everyone is armed).

                Two dudes walking on a berm - one wearing blaze orange vest. (Never underestimate the stupidity of "that guy").

                "Hey, take that vest off or get into cover" (evidently these are fighting words).

                Vest boy lowers his shot, points at a member of our party and click off the safety- strange how loud that was (expect the unexpected)

                All six of us rise out of cover and respond in kind (easily could have justifiably fired but we all showed restraint due to common decency)

                Vest boy and friend beat a hasty retreat (even idiot can have a moment of clarity)

                Moral: friends with arms acting in unison is good.

                Many lessons to be learned in every moment.

                This wasn't in modern degenerated times but about 1976ish. A defining moment for me.
                It works for the ***holes too.

                When I was in high school, I went dove hunting with my next door neighbor.

                We were in our spot which was prime (we had to hike to it since it was far from a dirt road), when a hippie van with crappy colorful paint and peace signs comes bouncing through the desert squashing all the plants along the way.

                They parked about 40 yards away from us and about 6 hippie dudes and 1 hippie chick climb out. They start blasting their music, smoking dope, and the 6 dudes start shooting doves as they pass between us.

                We would have moved, but we were in one of the prime spots in the whole area. They probably knew that we were in "the spot" and were probably trying to chase us away.

                After the first time or two we wave to let them know they're firing directly at us. We thought maybe they originally didn't see us. But it kept happening. After about the 6th time, we shouted to stop firing at doves between us since we're getting sprayed with their pellets. We had to turn our backs and take what little cover there was each time. Stung like hell even through our jeans and canvas vests.

                The hippies exploded in profanity and gestures and told us to F*** O** and then charged us while firing at us. We ran like hell. It still pisses me off to this day.

                The nearest pay phone was about an hour away and it was dark when we drove by it, so we didn't bother reporting the attack.

                It's one of many reasons that I now carry a pistol with me when I hunt.
                Last edited by k1dude; 03-27-2022, 10:08 PM.
                "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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