deregister a bb rifle

[I. M. Nobody]

Has anyone deregistered a bullet button Rifle.

[ARDude]

I've heard it has been done. But, it's a long process. 1-2 years?

[rl2020]

I did. It took them over 2 years. I mailed in the paperwork and photos in April 2019 then I finally received noticed mailed back to me in July 2021. During that time, I followed up with them several times both by phone and email and they assured me it was getting done and processed. They don’t care.

[bwiese]

I.M. Nobody -

[Hey Frank - long time, how are you? Phil sez hi too. ]

Yes, people have de-reg'd both BB RAWs as well as regular 2000-2016 RAWs - if and only if
they can be rendered featureless first.

Of course, they won't de-reg a RAW while still in RAW form because that would trigger illegal
AW possession/mfg crimes - so it should be first converted to a non-RAW (featureless or true
post-2016 fixed magazine requiring action to be opened.

[It would be impossible to de-reg a RAW Tec9 or HK SP89 etc forward-mag semiauto pistols since
there's no alternate legal 'featureless' config.]

[Of course also, "banned by name" (Category 1 'Roberti Roos' or Category 2 'Kasler') guns cannot
be rendered featureless/compliant for all practical purposes.]

In the past. there have been requests by DOJ agents to 'check it out' so in theory there was past risk
of an agent showing up on your doorstep asking to view it once applied for (2009-2012 or so era).
Don't let them in your house. Anyone getting such a request should instead arrange for its legal locked
transport - including asking for a DOJ permission letter to bring gun on gov't office property (locked &
unloaded of course). Alternately, the gun could be examined in your lawyer's office.

These days, CA DOJ prob just wants you to send a picture of the firearm in legal FEATURELESS config
before they will de-register. [This could include down to a stripped receiver but unclear if DOJ flies with
that.]

I do know that quite a few AR RAWs have been de-reg'd with Thordsden stocks being used for compliance.
(Told to me by Mr. Thordsen directly.)

And it takes a LONG time - months at best, I've heard worse. (Of course, ordinary vol reg and intrafamily
xfer paperwork takes a long time to process as well.)

Remember, CA RAWs, incl BB RAWs, have restrictions...
- specific destination transport (no 'trunk gun' eligibility)
- only inheritable outside CA / if it stays outta CA;
- requires special CA FFL with WA permit to ship

If you have a RAW and want to sell it it has to go thru a CA AW permittee FFL even to sell it or gunsmith it via
shipping. (However, you can drive it to Reno or Arizona and then legally ship it to destination FFL from there,
or sell it to an FFL there perfectly legally!)

Category 3 RAWs can be broken down and shipped separately to, say, gunsmiths outside of CA and then shipped
back in halves (or featureless) without de-registration. [I did this with an off list Cat3 FAL clone in 2004/5.] This
was told to me directly by Tim Rieger (with Randy Rossi and 3-4 gun lawyers present) at spring 2004 'Meet the DOJ'
dinner in San Jose, but really is just clarification of all the stuff in the 2000 "Reg-A-Gun" website. [Even today with
new regulatory definitions, a split apart AR is not an AW.]

Remember that DOJ AW registration merely ENABLES a gun to have an AW configured features suite and be legally
possessed, etc. The AW reg itself does not MAKE the gun an AW: whether a gun is an AW or not depends on the
current, as-it-stands configured features suite.

[sfe187]

Not to discredit anyone but till this day still waiting for any proof of successful "de-registering". Many claim they done it but never any proof. What harm can one do to post proof? Always the "paranoia" defense. So unless I see proof its all bs you ain't de-registering nothing burger. (email, documents, heck i'll even accept a DOJ voicemail/answer machine recording lol).

So I'll just keep waiting till I expired for that proof . . .

[bwiese]

Not to discredit anyone but till this day still waiting for any proof of successful "de-registering". Many claim they done it but never any proof. What harm can one do to post proof? Always the "paranoia" defense. So unless I see proof its all bs you ain't de-registering nothing burger. (email, documents, heck i'll even accept a DOJ voicemail/answer machine recording lol).

So I'll just keep waiting till I expired for that proof . . .

De-registration may be accompanied by a letter or perhaps these days just disappearing from reg system (CFARS etc.)

I specifically know of multiple de-registrants and in fact Thordsen Customs touts
its stock being on specific guns that were de-registered by DOJ. And I trust Alan 100%.

[rl2020]

Not to discredit anyone but till this day still waiting for any proof of successful "de-registering". Many claim they done it but never any proof. What harm can one do to post proof? Always the "paranoia" defense. So unless I see proof its all bs you ain't de-registering nothing burger. (email, documents, heck i'll even accept a DOJ voicemail/answer machine recording lol).

So I'll just keep waiting till I expired for that proof . . .

Ok dude.

[sfe187]

Ok dude.

Thanks for stepping up. This de-registered myth have been officially solved. I wonder why posting a confirmation letter from DOJ is so unwilling in the past

[Quiet]

Thanks for stepping up. This de-registered myth have been officially solved. I wonder why posting a confirmation letter from DOJ is so unwilling in the past

I think it's because...
1. It takes 2+ years for the process to be completed and for the CA DOJ BOF deregistration letter to arrive.
2. The majority of the people who have done it were never on these forums or are no longer active on these forums.
3. There are also people still waiting for their deregistration letter to arrive.

[325inthe510]

Has anyone deregistered a bullet button Rifle.

Just buy a new lower imo.

[Thordo]

De-registration may be accompanied by a letter or perhaps these days just disappearing from reg system (CFARS etc.)

I specifically know of multiple de-registrants and in fact Thordsen Customs touts
its stock being on specific guns that were de-registered by DOJ. And I trust Alan 100%.

Correction Bill.
We have one confirmed and fully documented de-reg of a RAW. I would not be surprised if there are more but only one customer has come forward and shared the info with me. However, I am bound by contract not to share the info with the general public.

I can tell you that the process took over a year. We have full documentation including the submission, all email communications between the customer and DOJ, and the final approval letter. All I's were dotted and T's crossed.

Thordo

[SVT-40]

Just buy a new lower imo.

That would only work for Rifles like the AR-15 or rifles with inexpensive receivers.

Rifles like the AK types don't have "lowers" they only have a receiver that all the other parts attach to.