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  • smokycuh
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    Originally posted by The Gleam
    What has been trashed is one of your basic civil-rights.

    No civil right should be delayed or even denied due to incompetence, 'volume', not enough staff to get around to it, not enough time to get around to it, I've got to take lunch, I've got to leave early to catch the bus, the server is slow today, I don't want to miss the Kardashians, or for any other asinine reasons.

    Their inability to do their job that they unnecessarily created is not my problem, nor is it an excuse to deny a constitutional right - when otherwise, all legal requirements have been met by someone who is not a prohibited person.

    I even detect a maliscious, biased, and purposefully cynical intent to propagate and promote these delays due to Bonta's blatant animosity toward gun owners and gun stores.

    This answer from them, with its dismissive attitude of the sanctity of the 2nd Amendment, is a clear civil rights violation and their using these methods as the excuse for these delays being overt abuse of power through subterfuge.

    This cannot be tolerated. It's pure use of bureacracy to oppress a civil right of the people, it's tyranny through obfuscation - call it what it is.

    A class action lawsuit is needed.

    An FOIA demand should be filed, an audit of their processes immediately established, and not another day should go by without their being required to fully disclose whatever those mythical "new guidelines" may be, as they may just be operational underground gun control tactics not allowed by law - even by the CA DOJ.

    Every delay, every undetermined, every unfounded denial - especially without explanation - is on par with the same kind of tactics used in the past to deny basic civil-rights to minorities, certain religions, and women for various other civil rights violations, but in this case, discriminating against anyone that defines themself as one looking to express their 2nd Amendment right.

    ENOUGH - CRPA and the NRA can't continue to sit on their hands over this issue.

    I'm a long time member of both and I haven't seen one news-byte, comment, email, or article from either one on this issue. It's dissapointing, even insulting, for this to go ignored by them.

    Everyone here, anyone that gives a damn, especially those with delays - should be calling and emailing the CRPA to ask:

    "Have you seen this? Are you doing anything to act on it? Is there something you need me to do so you can?"

    Utter nonsense, to do nothing, to say nothing. At least if the CRPA/NRA would advise it's being addressed but they can't divulge details right now, I'll subside and take them at their word.

    You would never see any other civil rights group turn a blind eye and stay silent to such repugnant display by the DOJ to intentionally screw with and disregard peoples' freedoms and civil rights.

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    I just emailed CRPA about this with a link to this thread
    Lets see what happens


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  • The Gleam
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    Originally posted by smokycuh
    This is ridiculous

    I actually got a hold of a live operator today and i asked them

    1) what is going on with delays? She said we have high volume of apps now causing delays

    2) why is my case delayed twice when i bought 5 guns this year with no issues? she said possibly due to “new guidelines” on how it is reviewed which has been causing undetermined and denials. (She would not disclose any more than that because she is not at liberty to say)

    3) will a livescan help this delay? She said no because it only provides a copy of what they are looking at but will not specify what caused the delay
    Only get livescan on a denial

    In other words worthless information and no help
    99.9% chance my case will be undetermined again

    But might as well wait since i already paid DROS and lost that fee

    Trash.
    What has been trashed is one of your basic civil-rights.

    No civil right should be delayed or even denied due to incompetence, 'volume', not enough staff to get around to it, not enough time to get around to it, I've got to take lunch, I've got to leave early to catch the bus, the server is slow today, I don't want to miss the Kardashians, or for any other asinine reasons.

    Their inability to do their job that they unnecessarily created is not my problem, nor is it an excuse to deny a constitutional right - when otherwise, all legal requirements have been met by someone who is not a prohibited person.

    I even detect a maliscious, biased, and purposefully cynical intent to propagate and promote these delays due to Bonta's blatant animosity toward gun owners and gun stores.

    This answer from them, with its dismissive attitude of the sanctity of the 2nd Amendment, is a clear civil rights violation and their using these methods as the excuse for these delays being overt abuse of power through subterfuge.

    This cannot be tolerated. It's pure use of bureacracy to oppress a civil right of the people, it's tyranny through obfuscation - call it what it is.

    A class action lawsuit is needed.

    An FOIA demand should be filed, an audit of their processes immediately established, and not another day should go by without their being required to fully disclose whatever those mythical "new guidelines" may be, as they may just be operational underground gun control tactics not allowed by law - even by the CA DOJ.

    Every delay, every undetermined, every unfounded denial - especially without explanation - is on par with the same kind of tactics used in the past to deny basic civil-rights to minorities, certain religions, and women for various other civil rights violations, but in this case, discriminating against anyone that defines themself as one looking to express their 2nd Amendment right.

    ENOUGH - CRPA and the NRA can't continue to sit on their hands over this issue.

    I'm a long time member of both and I haven't seen one news-byte, comment, email, or article from either one on this issue. It's dissapointing, even insulting, for this to go ignored by them.

    Everyone here, anyone that gives a damn, especially those with delays - should be calling and emailing the CRPA to ask:

    "Have you seen this? Are you doing anything to act on it? Is there something you need me to do so you can?"

    Utter nonsense, to do nothing, to say nothing. At least if the CRPA/NRA would advise it's being addressed but they can't divulge details right now, I'll subside and take them at their word.

    You would never see any other civil rights group turn a blind eye and stay silent to such repugnant display by the DOJ to intentionally screw with and disregard peoples' freedoms and civil rights.

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    Last edited by The Gleam; 05-19-2022, 7:50 PM.

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  • Brian93436
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    My "delayed" has now changed status to "undetermined" for a Glock originally DROS'd on 04/15/22. This comes on the heels of 4 "approved" purchases since Dec 2021, with no change in my eligibility.

    Also have a M77 DROS'd on 05/07/22 in "delayed" status and suspect it will also go "undetermined" at some point.

    Are there any gun rights groups collecting statistics on this CA. DOJ clerical tactic of gun control?
    Last edited by Brian93436; 05-19-2022, 6:00 PM.

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  • smokycuh
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  • smokycuh
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    Anyone else dealing with DROS delays?

    Originally posted by smokycuh
    Hella yeah congratulations!


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    Last edited by smokycuh; 05-18-2022, 1:57 AM.

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  • smokycuh
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    Originally posted by squirrelnuts
    Got The Call Smoky!!!

    "APPROVED"
    with 5mn left to spare from the 30 day BS.

    (Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range (209) 358-4867
    Release ''UNDETERMINED'' if you have a Valid CA. CCW.)

    Hella yeah congratulations!


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  • SkyHawk
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    It depends entirely on the FFL and if they are keeping an eye on it.

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  • sfe187
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    Its a good sign for sure.

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  • *Knowledge*
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    I’m currently in my 2nd ever DROS and wondering does the FFL inform you of a ‘DELAY’ status?? If you don’t hear from the FFL during the 10 days does that mean automatically approved?

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  • squirrelnuts
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    Got The Call Smoky!!!

    "APPROVED"
    with 5mn left to spare from the 30 day BS.

    (Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range (209) 358-4867
    Release ''UNDETERMINED'' if you have a Valid CA. CCW.)

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  • smokycuh
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    Originally posted by squirrelnuts
    Im Still stuck on Non-Plausible "DELAY"
    My May Day is till the 16th.
    I'll keep you fellas posted...

    Cheering for you bro to get that approved call!


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  • smokycuh
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    Originally posted by JTROKS
    Did DOJ and DMV adopt 4 day work weeks?

    I watch a 19 year old pot head make statement that his high THC smokes has no negative effect on him. In fact he is finishing to get his diploma equivalent GED.

    I think they are competing to see who can be more worthless overall


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  • JTROKS
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    Did DOJ and DMV adopt 4 day work weeks?

    I watch a 19 year old pot head make statement that his high THC smokes has no negative effect on him. In fact he is finishing to get his diploma equivalent GED.

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  • squirrelnuts
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    Im Still stuck on Non-Plausible "DELAY"
    My May Day is till the 16th.
    I'll keep you fellas posted...

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