CA DROS Delay

[taperxz]

So like I said, it's not specifically a letter to release.
It's an undetermined DROS letter.
I didn't know they you needed the NICS number from the letter to release though so thanks for that.
That process is probably why some FFL's don't release on undetermined.
Those FFL's are too lazy to call in to get the NICS number.

So, It actually is a release. They just don't us that verbiage. The NICS number that comes with the letter is the approval to release the gun. When CA law says the dealer may deliver, it CAN'T DELIVER without the APPROVED background check from NICS.

I deliver on undetermined not because i im using my descretion but because i have an APPROVAL from the Federal Government to do so. No dealer gets to decide or not whats right or wrong when it comes to background checks.

The state couldn't figure things out to their satisfaction and after 30 days have simply left it up to the Feds and that background check. THATS RIGHT! There were TWO background checks after purchase and prior to release. One undetermined and the second was an actual APPROVAL.

If the state doesn't give me a NICS number back, that is a NICS denial.

[BONECUTTER]

Those FFL's are too lazy to call in to get the NICS number.

I used to just make customers wait until I received that letter. It was typical mailed from Sacramento on day 31 and I'd have it by day 33-34 max.

Then they started coming on day 40-45. When I started getting some on day 50 I just switched to calling. I call early from my cell before my work is even open so I don't have to be on hold for more than a few minutes. If I call after 10 I can expect to wait 40-120 minutes on hold.

Last month I received undetermined letters from January. Yeah CADOJ really lags on the mail these days and I get why dealers may not want to spend an hour on hold for a undetermined.

[ar15barrels]

This is wrong. DOJ does send a letter of undetermined that includes a NICS number in order to release the gun to the undetermined dros. That NICS number is in fact ANOTHER background check. The problem is that DOJ sends those letters out so late that it does no good and past 30 days.

The dealer can issue upon undetermined if they want but also must call into DOJ to get that NICS number instead of waiting for a letter that doesn't show up for 3-4 weeks.

To back track, The CA DROS number is only good for 30 days. That DROS goes undetermined and in order to release that gun, needs another background check and they use NICS. If you get the number via phone right away, you can deliver the gun but it absolutely must have a NICS number to put it on the 4473 or it was an illegal transfer federally.

So like I said, it's not specifically a letter to release.
It's an undetermined DROS letter.
I didn't know they you needed the NICS number from the letter to release though so thanks for that.
That process is probably why some FFL's don't release on undetermined.
Those FFL's are too lazy to call in to get the NICS number.

[taperxz]

There is no "release letter".
At 30 days, if the FFL has not heard back with a specific DENIAL, they can release.
Passing 30 days without a DENIAL should change the status to undetermined.
When the status goes undetermined, the FFL gets to determine if they want to release or not.
Some FFL's do not release on undetermined and that sounds like what you have because he is feeding you some BS about waiting for an approval letter that will never come because they don't send an approval letter for an undermined DROS because after 30 days, it's the FFL's decision to make, not the DOJ's decision.

This is wrong. DOJ does send a letter of undetermined that includes a NICS number in order to release the gun to the undetermined dros. That NICS number is in fact ANOTHER background check. The problem is that DOJ sends those letters out so late that it does no good and past 30 days.

The dealer can issue upon undetermined if they want but also must call into DOJ to get that NICS number instead of waiting for a letter that doesn't show up for 3-4 weeks.

To back track, The CA DROS number is only good for 30 days. That DROS goes undetermined and in order to release that gun, needs another background check and they use NICS. If you get the number via phone right away, you can deliver the gun but it absolutely must have a NICS number to put it on the 4473 or it was an illegal transfer federally.

[ar15barrels]

Still waiting on new Ruger Wrangler purchase which was done on May 8.
Passed the 40 day period already but the dealer said they have to wait for a type of release letter, I forget what was called and could will take another 2-3 weeks.

There is no "release letter".
At 30 days, if the FFL has not heard back with a specific DENIAL, they can release.
Passing 30 days without a DENIAL should change the status to undetermined.
When the status goes undetermined, the FFL gets to determine if they want to release or not.
Some FFL's do not release on undetermined and that sounds like what you have because he is feeding you some BS about waiting for an approval letter that will never come because they don't send an approval letter for an undermined DROS because after 30 days, it's the FFL's decision to make, not the DOJ's decision.

[Helmut]

Picked up 2 pistols from FFL without delay.

Heard on Reddit that someone was told by a live DOJ agent that there’s new procedures for background checks. Take it as you will.

[pacrat]

Update, PPT for M1A on May 20 was delayed but came thru on June 16. Still waiting on new Ruger Wrangler purchase which was done on May 8. Passed the 40 day period already but the dealer said they have to wait for a type of release letter, I forget what was called and could will take another 2-3 weeks. And yes, I got that similar CA DOJ discrepancy letter too for my new purchase and PPT in May.

^^^ CARE TO CLARIFY A BIT ^^^

Because as stated. Your FFL is either an extreme DumbAzz. Or he is FOS and lying to you.

[Deelayed]

Update, PPT for M1A on May 20 was delayed but came thru on June 16. Still waiting on new Ruger Wrangler purchase which was done on May 8. Passed the 40 day period already but the dealer said they have to wait for a type of release letter, I forget what was called and could will take another 2-3 weeks. And yes, I got that similar CA DOJ discrepancy letter too for my new purchase and PPT in May.

I hereby honorably pass the title of deelayed onto you . I thought 36-7 days was bad . I see a new post- 30 day trend going on . And it will continue to increase in day increments . Who will stop them ? Who can stop them ? This is not good . Actually the GS has to contact the doj to get the number it does not take 2 - 3 weeks it takes a phone call and the agent will give numbers to all undetermined cases past 30 days for that shopm that's how it was explained to me.

[ejhc11]

Update, PPT for M1A on May 20 was delayed but came thru on June 16. Still waiting on new Ruger Wrangler purchase which was done on May 8. Passed the 40 day period already but the dealer said they have to wait for a type of release letter, I forget what was called and could will take another 2-3 weeks. And yes, I got that similar CA DOJ discrepancy letter too for my new purchase and PPT in May.

[pacrat]

That's the same letter they send everyone

^^^CORRECT^^^

Where that one says Xavier Basura. They will likely now say Robert Bonta, It's same old form letter they have always used.

And it doesn't actually mean that they found any discrepancy in records.

Same thing happens every time their is a rush in buying firearms. It runs in spells.

[kcstott]

SO update on my delay. This purchase was a PPT for the record. Original pick up date was 5/31. Approval and release finally given 6/9.

I received a letter in the mail from the DOJ on 6/11 (letter dated 5/27( saying "delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching you identifying info or a stolen firearm record"

I researched this and no such record exists. I have no criminal record, Possess a CCW and tax stamp for an SBR and a USMC Veteran.

Something fishy here....

That's the same letter they send everyone

[CJOHNSON88]

No way do you kind me asking not what shop but what area your in?

[559BearDown]

Day 46 and counting...

[CJOHNSON88]

Currently waiting on two delays as well. also was never informed of either delay until I arrived at the shops 1 week apart from each other the first I was supposed to pick up June 4th the second was June 11. It is inconvenient but as far as I know nothing I can do just wait and hope they get approved one shop will release on undetermined but not the other.

[SilveradoColt21]

Just completed ANOTHER DROS without issue