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  • dely
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2021
    • 42

    Unregistered P238

  • #2
    G-forceJunkie
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2010
    • 6306

    Father to son transfers are legal and before 2014 required no paperwork. Nothing needs to be registered. Noting needs to be registered to you to sell it. Just go do a PPT if you want to sell it, you are the legal owner. For the record, even if you and your dad did do an illegal transfer, the statute of limitations is 3 years, so if it happened over 3 years ago, you can't be prosecuted for anyways.
    The only issues you could come across is if you dad gave you a stolen gun, or a gun that is considered an Assault Weapon by California. If you got any military style guns, handguns with the magazine outside the hand grip, etc. do some research to see what they are.
    Last edited by G-forceJunkie; 12-10-2021, 10:53 PM.

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    • #3
      Librarian
      Admin and Poltergeist
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 44648

      Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
      Father to son transfers are legal and before 2014 required no paperwork.
      A refinement: before 2014, long gun transfers, parent to child where both were CA residents, required no paper. Handgun transfers between the same parties have needed paper since 1990-1991.
      ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

      Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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      • #4
        dely
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2021
        • 42

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        • #5
          G-forceJunkie
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2010
          • 6306

          No way to verify it. If your not in a hurry, you could voluntarily register it in your name first. It is $19 and could take an unknown number of months to hear back. 6-9 months would not suprise me. If a gun comes up stolen during a PPT, the cops are going to take it, the buyer is naturally going to want his money back. I'm sure you will get questioned but how you came into posession of it any inquirie should end with "My deceased father gave it to me 10 years ago."

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          • #6
            pacrat
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2014
            • 10280

            Originally posted by dely
            Thank you for your replies, that seems much more straight forward that I expected.

            As far as the handgun transfer being after the paper requirements, even in that case I’d be past the 3 year statute of limitations, right?

            I think it’s extremely unlikely I’d have been given a stolen gun, but any way to verify this? What would happen if I attempted to sell via ppt and it was flagged as stolen?
            The bolded question in quote above is a true and accurate statement.

            If you want to keep it/them without registering, no criminal liability attaches. And you are free to do so. Same goes, if you decide the sell any of them.
            Last edited by pacrat; 12-11-2021, 2:37 AM.

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            • #7
              beerman
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 4932

              Be aware that if you get caught with a handgun in your car that’s registered to you, it’s a minor offense. Get caught with an unregistered gun, it’s a felony.. bye bye gun rights.

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              • #8
                Librarian
                Admin and Poltergeist
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 44648

                Originally posted by beerman
                Be aware that if you get caught with a handgun in your car that’s registered to you, it’s a minor offense. Get caught with an unregistered gun, it’s a felony.. bye bye gun rights.
                ... presuming it is not being correctly transported, unloaded in a locked case.

                And, that's 'found in the CA AFS database' registered - essentially impossible for out of state visitors, unless they might be former residents of CA.
                Last edited by Librarian; 12-11-2021, 6:34 PM.
                ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                • #9
                  The Gleam
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 12388

                  Prove it's not. I don't have to prove it is.
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                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                  If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                  • #10
                    TurboChrisB
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5116

                    Originally posted by The Gleam
                    Prove it's not. I don't have to prove it is.
                    No what he meant (or should have said) was, if you're caught illegally carrying a gun....it's a felony if it's not registered to you....misdemeanor if it's in your name.

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                    • #11
                      The Gleam
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 12388

                      Originally posted by TurboChrisB
                      No what he meant (or should have said) was, if you're caught illegally carrying a gun....it's a felony if it's not registered to you....misdemeanor if it's in your name.
                      My comment still stands.

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                      Originally posted by Librarian
                      What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                      If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      • #12
                        12pewpew
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2019
                        • 1314

                        I could be completely wrong on this but I thought cops couldn't just look up who a gun is registered to on the spot. They can only determine if it's stolen or not.

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                        • #13
                          Dan_Eastvale
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 10238

                          I suspect there are far more Californians who have "inherited" handguns without any paperwok than most states.

                          Based on population

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                          • #14
                            TurboChrisB
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 5116

                            Originally posted by The Gleam
                            My comment still stands.

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                            Well if you're thinking that they have to prove it's not yours....then you'd be wrong.

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                            • #15
                              P5Ret
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 6370

                              Originally posted by 12pewpew
                              I could be completely wrong on this but I thought cops couldn't just look up who a gun is registered to on the spot. They can only determine if it's stolen or not.
                              Yep you are completely wrong. They can run the serial and get a full AFS history.

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