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  • SVT-40
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2008
    • 12894

    Old guy open carrying a Luger pistol

    I was at In & Out today here in Prescott, and I saw a old guy (older than me) open carrying a German Luger pistol. I talked with him briefly and congratulated him on his fine choice of pistols!

    It was a well worn WWII issued gun in 9mm.

    I didn't feel like intruding on his lunch to ask for a photo..

    The things you see in Arizona!!!
    Poke'm with a stick!


    Originally posted by fiddletown
    What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.
  • #2
    hermosabeach
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 19477

    I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...


    I know VW has broken the stigma

    The Swastika is OK in 1/2 of the world.. still banned / associated with Hitler in the western world... not Asia, India etc


    I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.

    1- Use it and you might lose it. CCW should be a rust proof tool
    2- use it and the Civil case plaintiff lawyer will make you out to be a NAZI
    3- what holster is made for a luger?
    4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?
    Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

    Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

    Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

    Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
    (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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    • #3
      smle-man
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2007
      • 10584

      Lugers were tested by the U.S. Army long before Nazis existed. I have a 1970s Mauser Luger, not a Nazi issue The Swiss, Russians, Dutch, and others used the Luger too.



      Originally posted by hermosabeach
      I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...


      I know VW has broken the stigma

      The Swastika is OK in 1/2 of the world.. still banned / associated with Hitler in the western world... not Asia, India etc


      I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.

      1- Use it and you might lose it. CCW should be a rust proof tool
      2- use it and the Civil case plaintiff lawyer will make you out to be a NAZI
      3- what holster is made for a luger?
      4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?

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      • #4
        Notpc
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 3499

        Originally posted by hermosabeach
        I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...


        I know VW has broken the stigma

        The Swastika is OK in 1/2 of the world.. still banned / associated with Hitler in the western world... not Asia, India etc


        I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.

        1- Use it and you might lose it. CCW should be a rust proof tool
        2- use it and the Civil case plaintiff lawyer will make you out to be a NAZI
        3- what holster is made for a luger?
        4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?
        I believe the swastika in the Asian, Indian, and Native American cultures are reversed or a mirror image.
        "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain..."
        Roy Batty

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        • #5
          XDJYo
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2012
          • 6721

          Originally posted by hermosabeach
          I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...


          I know VW has broken the stigma

          The Swastika is OK in 1/2 of the world.. still banned / associated with Hitler in the western world... not Asia, India etc


          I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.

          1- Use it and you might lose it. CCW should be a rust proof tool
          2- use it and the Civil case plaintiff lawyer will make you out to be a NAZI
          3- what holster is made for a luger?
          4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?
          I agree that a Luger isn't the 100% correct firearm for CCW or OGW (Old Guy Weapon?).

          1911 for the win!
          Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips
          Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model
          Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes).
          M&P 15 (Mine)

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          • #6
            I Swan
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2010
            • 8770

            I know a gun shop where a guy carries a P38 in a crappy holster and with aftermarket junk spare magazines. I knew one where the owner carried an AMT Backup 380 single action. Both carried openly.

            I've open carried some odd guns one was a old H&R pre 999 Sportsman.

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            • #7
              Dvrjon
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Nov 2012
              • 11341

              In the ancient Indian language of Sanskrit, swastika means "well-being". The symbol has been used by Hindus, Buddhists and Jains for millennia and is commonly assumed to be an Indian sign.

              Coca-Cola used it. Carlsberg used it on their beer bottles. The Boy Scouts adopted it and the Girls' Club of America called their magazine Swastika. They would even send out swastika badges to their young readers as a prize for selling copies of the magazine," he says.

              It was used by American military units during World War One and it could be seen on RAF planes as late as 1939.

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              • #8
                The Gleam
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2011
                • 12407

                Lugers started production around 1900; commercial variants, and several different countries used them as side-arms long prior to WWII. And not all German Lugers used during WWII are connected to Nazis. Mauser even made them post-war, including American Eagle retro-examples in the 1970's (imported by Interarms.)

                I have American Eagles, Swiss, Portugese, Netherlands, and Bulgarian crest examples - even German army pre-WWII- which have nothing to do with Nazis. Some are even marked by Simson &Co/ Suhl, a Jewish owned manufacturer. Others beyond my own include Brazil, Prussia, Bolivia, Chile, Norway, among others.

                The Nazi association is purely out of lack of grasping the vast history and wide use the of the Luger, no different than those associating AR-based rifles with "automatic weapons of war" due to Hollywoodized depiction.

                Too much 'Hogan's Heroes' and Colonel Klink I guess.

                Elmer Keith thought highly of the Luger, and would likely think it not too bad as a CCW arm, so long as it were in 9mm.

                --
                -----------------------------------------------
                Originally posted by Librarian
                What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                • #9
                  SVT-40
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 12894

                  Originally posted by hermosabeach
                  I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...


                  I know VW has broken the stigma

                  The Swastika is OK in 1/2 of the world.. still banned / associated with Hitler in the western world... not Asia, India etc


                  I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.

                  1- Use it and you might lose it. CCW should be a rust proof tool
                  2- use it and the Civil case plaintiff lawyer will make you out to be a NAZI
                  3- what holster is made for a luger?
                  4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?
                  Said like a true Californian.

                  Not trying to pick a fight. But out of California things are very different.

                  The only swastikas on any WWII German Luger pistol would be a microscopic one on maybe a proof mark.

                  Any gun makes a good cary pistol, if it's the one you have at the time.

                  Remember in Arizona no one needs a CCW permit to either open or conceal carry.

                  The holster he was using was a very old and worn belt type.

                  I've seen people carrying all sorts of different pistols, including single action types and .22's

                  Any pistol is better than no pistol at all.
                  Poke'm with a stick!


                  Originally posted by fiddletown
                  What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                  • #10
                    IVC
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 17594

                    Finnish aviation just recently stopped using swastika. Here's a BBC article that is a year old...
                    sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                    • #11
                      sealocan
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 9951

                      Wait a second.


                      This all explains why Tikka rifles didn't get back to me about my groundbreaking S.W.A.S. rifle design.

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                      • #12
                        TrailerparkTrash
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4249

                        Originally posted by hermosabeach
                        I know people think I am crazy but I associate Lugers with the Nazi Party...
                        Originally posted by hermosabeach
                        I would say a Luger would be a horrible CCW firearm.
                        Originally posted by hermosabeach
                        4- mag change- low capacity and slow reloads... I also recall if the slide is locked open... you must insert a magazine to close the slide. So for a type 3 malfunction, how do you clear it?
                        sigpic

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                        • #13
                          Killer Bee
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 2197

                          old guys rule - especially sporting a WWII sidearm open carry


                          Originally posted by hermosabeach
                          I know people think I am crazy

                          blah blah blah
                          I started out with nothing - and I still have most of it

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                          • #14
                            warbird
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 2049

                            Isn't this about freedom of choice in a place that practices that concept?

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                            • #15
                              Oxnard_Montalvo
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 1061

                              On 21Aug2012 the Huffington Post posted a story titled : "Swastika Rehabilitation Day Is June 23; Raelians Celebrate" (which, by the magic that is Al Gore's internet is STILL available for your consideration and I even heard that they posted it again in 2013, link below)

                              So if the 'sophisticated' crowd that supports the Huffington Post is ok with bringing the swastika back who can argue? [/sarcasm off]

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