So….you guys ever hear of this

[Rob454]

I went to pick up my shotgun. Bought on 8/10. They called on 8/15/16 (or about there said I can pick up Saturday 8/21. So I go there this morning and I get the…..we can’t release till tomorrow. Confused as to why….I go to leave avd I pull my paperwork…and I ask why…
She tells me that the BG check didn’t start until 8/22 because they didn’t have the gun in stock. And they did a soft DROS. So that’s why I can’t pick up till the 22nd.

WTF is a soft DROS? Anyone hear of that? Is that a real thing…..Or is this just another FFL speak with a forked tongue talk.

[Oldmandan]

A soft DROS is when the FFL screws up and has to redo your paperwork.

[The Gleam]

I went to pick up my shotgun. Bought on 8/10. They called on 8/15/16 (or about there said I can pick up Saturday. So I go there this morning and I get the…..we can’t release till tomorrow. Confused as to why….I go to leave avd I pull my paperwork…and I ask why…
She tells me that the BG check didn’t start until 8/22 because they didn’t have the gun in stock. And they did a soft DROS. So that’s why I can’t pick up till the 22nd.

WTF is a soft DROS? Anyone hear of that? Is that a real thing…..Or is this just another FFL speak with a forked tongue talk.

DROS in absentia. Used to be a regular thing; say, I would buy a gun and be at the dealer on a Saturday, but can only make it on Saturdays or a long drive, but my 1-per-30-day infringement of my civil rights would not end until the following Tuesday. So the dealer would gather all the paperwork needed/docs, and have everything ready to run/start the DROS on Tuesday - i.e., I didn't need to be there.

Same could be said for an order where the gun is not in stock when purchased, but they run the DROS on it's arrival because they need it in person to verify serial to run DROS and be in their inventory/bound book.

I'm not sure either can be done anymore due to the CA DL magnetic strip needing to be read, and I specifically asked this of an FFL recently - and they said they could no longer do it that way - had to be there in person for them to run the DROS.

So, I'm not sure how your FFL pulled it off, but I would sure like to know, especially now that the 1-per-30 day Anti-2nd Amendment cock-blocker now applies to either semi-auto centerfire rifles AND handguns.

[Rob454]

DROS in absentia. Used to be a regular thing; say, I would buy a gun and be at the dealer on a Saturday, but can only make it on Saturdays or a long drive, but my 1-per-30-day infringement of my civil rights would not end until the following Tuesday. So the dealer would gather all the paperwork needed/docs, and have everything ready to run/start the DROS on Tuesday - i.e., I didn't need to be there.

Same could be said for an order where the gun is not in stock when purchased, but they run the DROS on it's arrival because they need it in person to verify serial to run DROS and be in their inventory/bound book.

I'm not sure either can be done anymore due to the CA DL magnetic strip needing to be read, and I specifically asked this of an FFL recently - and they said they could no longer do it that way - had to be there in person for them to run the DROS.

So, I'm not sure how your FFL pulled it off, but I would sure like to know, especially now that the 1-per-30 day Anti-2nd Amendment cock-blocker now applies to either semi-auto centerfire rifles AND handguns.

I just figured they would tap dance somehow. I did all the paperwork on the initial day. I just never heard of a soft DROS. I figured it was some fast talking excuse since I never heard that term.

[SkyHawk]

I just figured they would tap dance somehow. I did all the paperwork on the initial day. I just never heard of a soft DROS. I figured it was some fast talking excuse since I never heard that term.

Did you leave with a printed out copy of the DROS on the initial day? Do you still have that in your possession?

Or did you fill out a DROS WORKSHEET? Which is not a DROS. But some people may call it a 'soft DROS'.

[tabascoz28]

That's a new one. I was pissed when LGS would have pick up policy of +10 days because they didn't want to check on the possibility of backed up dros during 2020.... More detail

[HOGDOG1955]

ive done alot of soft droses. i know at turners i can buy a gun they have in the warehouse and fill out the paper work/ soft dros. once the gun gets to my turners the 10 day wait starts and i dont have to go back until my pickup time.

[SkyHawk]

Also, why are you buying guns that you have not personally inspected in advance?

My guess is they did a DROS worksheet. Which is fine. And explains everything you stated in your OP.

What is not fine, IMO, is DROSing a gun you have never seen or inspected.

A DROS Worksheet is a way of getting a DROS ready when you are missing some piece of information. Like a Buyer's name in a PPT - this is how consignments are done.

It can also be done for a DROS where the gun has not shown up yet. If your FFL is cool, it can even be done for a PPT where the buyer shows up and does paperwork and leaves, before the seller ever arrives with the gun. This also presumes payment has been arranged between the parties, and the gun has been inspected somehow for or by the buyer.

It can also be used when the DES system is down. So a person can complete their purchase and leave, and then when the system comes back online the actual DROS is entered.

A DROS Worksheet is a form to gather information for a future DROS. But it is not a DROS. And a 10-day wait cannot start until a DROS is actually entered into DES, or when the information from a DROS Worksheet is transferred into a DES DROS session. And that cannot happen until all required information has been gathered.

[ARDude]

If you buy from Turners (probably other big box stores also), I'ts almost always a "soft" DROS. They do all the paperwork, but don't send in the DROS until they physically obtain the firearm from their where house.

**hogdog said it**

[Rob454]

Did you leave with a printed out copy of the DROS on the initial day? Do you still have that in your possession?

Or did you fill out a DROS WORKSHEET? Which is not a DROS. But some people may call it a 'soft DROS'.

I just left with my receipt and info on the payment etc. i filled out all the other paperwork and they kept that. I’m not that upset about it. I just never heard the term soft DROS. I thought at first they were pulling my leg. Either way pick up is tomorrow. It’s annoying when they call say the BG was fine and the person said I can pick up Saturday and I get there and now it’s oh wait it’s Sunday. I had to move a bunch of stuff around on short notice. Not the end of the world

[Mr. Blue]

Did you leave with a printed out copy of the DROS on the initial day? Do you still have that in your possession?

Or did you fill out a DROS WORKSHEET? Which is not a DROS. But some people may call it a 'soft DROS'.

Correct. After each DROS a worksheet is printed and usually given to the buyer. An exact time is printed when pickup can occur. So whenever this page was produced, is when the time starts. The term soft DROS is a new one to me, potentially in house jargon from the shop.

[SkyHawk]

Correct. After each DROS a worksheet is printed and usually given to the buyer. An exact time is printed when pickup can occur. So whenever this page was produced, is when the time starts. The term soft DROS is a new one to me, potentially in house jargon from the shop.

Sorry but no. You still don't understand what a DROS worksheet is. But that is understandable because the majority of gun buyers have never seen a DROS worksheet, and those that have probably had no idea what it was or what it's significance is.

A DROS worksheet is not a printout of the DROS. A worksheet is what it says. It is a form to WORK on a DROS, like a work in progress. But it is not a DROS. It also is not a copy of a completed DROS.

A DROS worksheet is HAND WRITTEN.

https://des.doj.ca.gov/forms/DROS_Worksheet_BOF-929.pdf

It can be done hours, days or even years (in the case of consignment sales) before the DROS is actually done using the information off that worksheet.

[SkyHawk]

I just left with my receipt and info on the payment etc. i filled out all the other paperwork and they kept that. I’m not that upset about it. I just never heard the term soft DROS. I thought at first they were pulling my leg. Either way pick up is tomorrow. It’s annoying when they call say the BG was fine and the person said I can pick up Saturday and I get there and now it’s oh wait it’s Sunday. I had to move a bunch of stuff around on short notice. Not the end of the world

It sounds like "soft DROS" = DROS worksheet. See my notes above for what that means and ways it is used.

And you are not the first person to find out their DROS was entered long after they left (using a Worksheet), maybe even days later, and that the 10 day wait didn't start when they thought.

[eaglemike]

If you buy from Turners (probably other big box stores also), I'ts almost always a "soft" DROS. They do all the paperwork, but don't send in the DROS until they physically obtain the firearm from their where house.

**hogdog said it**

They used to be able to actually start the DROS if they had the serial number. DOJ went around and said "no mas!" - the gun must be present so they can verify the serial number on the gun. This change happened some time back, maybe a few years ago?

[Rob454]

Also, why are you buying guns that you have not personally inspected in advance?

My guess is they did a DROS worksheet. Which is fine. And explains everything you stated in your OP.

What is not fine, IMO, is DROSing a gun you have never seen or inspected.

A DROS Worksheet is a way of getting a DROS ready when you are missing some piece of information. Like a Buyer's name in a PPT - this is how consignments are done.

It can also be done for a DROS where the gun has not shown up yet. If your FFL is cool, it can even be done for a PPT where the buyer shows up and does paperwork and leaves, before the seller ever arrives with the gun. This also presumes payment has been arranged between the parties, and the gun has been inspected somehow for or by the buyer.

It can also be used when the DES system is down. So a person can complete their purchase and leave, and then when the system comes back online the actual DROS is entered.

A DROS Worksheet is a form to gather information for a future DROS. But it is not a DROS. And a 10-day wait cannot start until a DROS is actually entered into DES, or when the information from a DROS Worksheet is transferred into a DES DROS session. And that cannot happen until all required information has been gathered.

It’s a new gun. Im gonna go use the f out of it unless someone dragged it behind the delivery truck I doubt there is gonna be anything wrong with it. I bought guns before sight unseen. One time I had a gun that was locked up out of the box. It felt like the action had rocks in it. I told the FFL I’m not paying for that. Ended up getting a different gun altogether.

I don’t have a issue with waiting….my issue is with the time I went in, their calling me and saying my pick up date was actually Friday abd I said I’ll get it Saturday/today, going there and then saying no it’s tomorrow with what I felt was a strange explanation as to why. I never heard o soft DROS and I never had to wait past the 10 day period. Either way…not a insurmountable issue.

It sounds like "soft DROS" = DROS worksheet. See my notes above for what that means and ways it is used.

And you are not the first person to find out their DROS was entered long after they left (using a Worksheet), maybe even days later, and that the 10 day wait didn't start when they thought.

Yup…..this is the first time I had this happen. Every other time it was literally day I bought wait 10 days go pick up. I thought it was some new hoop to jump through. It would be nice if they just e me the correct day. I had to juggle a really teed off customer when I wanted to move his appointment on Sunday