Maglock ARs - likely to jam? Problem if it does?

[SharedShots]

You are at home. Someone with greater needs than you decides to break in and solve their problem while adding to yours.

You hear them and respond with maglock equipped "hampered if you must) firearm. It jams.

You got off at least one round because it jammed right? So then aside from those who practice clearing jams all the time, the time it will take you to clear the jam is too long no matter if you have a maglock or a functional mag release.

Try this:

You have your gun out ready to fire (clear of course, no ammo). From the time someone else says go, see how long it takes for you to shoot. The Bad Guy isn't going to take longer. Between the time of GO and your shot do you think you can clear a jam of any kind that involves a mag drop, jam clear and mag refresh? at you ready to shoot. No one.

Many people underestimate how long it takes them to clear a jam (reason to jam unknown could be pitch black, can't see, mag might be damaged somehow to inserting the same back in doesn't help...) Then they underestimate how fast the BG will shoot if you miss and it's your gun that jams.

Better put, if the BG shoots first and misses but their gun jams, how many seconds will it take you to shoot them? Are you waiting for them to clear and start over?

If you can carry an extra mag with you then you can also have plan B with you. What are you willing to stake your life on, the BG waiting, the extra mag and how fast you can clear and restart or Plan B?

Its just a question.

[SigSauerP226]

Others have similar concerns (including myself) and of course the creator won't test it because it's "not designed that way" but will readily throw his rifle across the ground to prove something else. Caveat emptor.

Ya I remember the creator and Randall going back and forth and there never seemed to be a definitive answer. I feel like I was able to replicate Randall's concerns on my featureless and that's why I felt it wasn't a good idea to continue with it.

[enorbit3]

Like others have said, Maglock's are not for defensive weapons. My AR pistol has a maglock. Haven't had a malfunction but practiced dropping the mag floor plate out clearing out the rounds. Don't use permanently blocked mags where you can't drop the floor plate, and you'll be ok.

[tony270]

Hi all,

I've been considering investing in a Maglock AR (with Kingpin upper release) or a nice shotgun (likely the IWI TS12).

I was at a recent gun shop and they told me NOT to invest in anything mag lock for personal defense. If the weapon jams, you will have difficulty unjamming it because you need to open the firearm in order to release the mag.

Any thoughts on this? Are these guns liable to jam and, if they do, is the concern the concern the dealer told me about true?

AR's have classes, the ones that you can depend your life on in a battle cost more. If taken out of state the maglock release button can be made to function as originally designed, simply use a dremel tool to cut off the arm that prevent the button from being pushed. It is also easy to convert using the original button.

That's why I went with the Patriot Pin 2.0 maglock. I still has the magazine catch release that others maglock systems removed.

Any double feed can be difficult to correct, maintain your firearms, and don't rely on homebrew, or rifles that aren't combat worthy.

[matthewmcbrideca]

I have the AR mag locks on mine and I use magazines with removable floor plates in case there is a jam (which has never happened) and I also have the Allen wrench for the maglock in my range bag. Right next to a standard mag catch that takes 60 seconds to change if the end of the world comes. Take classes in Arizona or vegas to train the way the rifle is intended to work.

[FNGGlock]

You are at home. Someone with greater needs than you decides to break in and solve their problem while adding to yours.

You hear them and respond with maglock equipped "hampered if you must) firearm. It jams.

You got off at least one round because it jammed right? So then aside from those who practice clearing jams all the time, the time it will take you to clear the jam is too long no matter if you have a maglock or a functional mag release.

Try this:

You have your gun out ready to fire (clear of course, no ammo). From the time someone else says go, see how long it takes for you to shoot. The Bad Guy isn't going to take longer. Between the time of GO and your shot do you think you can clear a jam of any kind that involves a mag drop, jam clear and mag refresh? at you ready to shoot. No one.

Many people underestimate how long it takes them to clear a jam (reason to jam unknown could be pitch black, can't see, mag might be damaged somehow to inserting the same back in doesn't help...) Then they underestimate how fast the BG will shoot if you miss and it's your gun that jams.

Better put, if the BG shoots first and misses but their gun jams, how many seconds will it take you to shoot them? Are you waiting for them to clear and start over?

If you can carry an extra mag with you then you can also have plan B with you. What are you willing to stake your life on, the BG waiting, the extra mag and how fast you can clear and restart or Plan B?

Its just a question.

Your hypothetical situation assumes you have no option of cover. If you are out in the open and the BG is up close you will have zero time for reload or clearing a malfunction.

Reality is you will likely figure out some cover for a moment of time, and then fiddling with a maglock will cost time and larger chance of errors. Fine motor skills decrease with stress.

[17+1]

Manual of arms for cleaning double feed, drop magazine, rack, lock bolt back, reinsert magazine, hit bolt release.

Mag lock is only acceptable for a range toy you plink with. It’s not even acceptable for a target shooting rifle what happens if it jams there goes the match…at least you have a chance to recover from a malfunction with a featureless rifle if something goes wrong on a course of fire.

[17+1]

[kcheung2]

^ It's not connected. The stock portion only covers the buffer tube, a la AR pistol style. The "paddle" part is only an extension of the grip, it comes close but does not touch the stock tube, hence it's just a very contoured grip and not a stock. The cheek riser hides the lines, but it too is only attached to the grip and doesn't touch the stock tube.

[tony270]

Yeah, I'm Infantry, tell that to the shooter that has to tamp out the stuck double feed with a cleaning rod, standard M16, and or use at tool to pry the jam out. Maintain your firearms, rely on top tier combat worthy weapons, use high-grade factory ammunition, you'll have virtually zero failures.

[Donny1]

Once you try it, its not so bad. I prefer the resurgent arms.
After my FTF and FTE issues, I switched and have not looked back.
Much better than a fin. You may need to replace your stock to get
a good thumb placement.

https://resurgentarms.com/product-list/bundles/

I really like this grip but you need an extended safety with it. I just used the Magpul adjustable stock and put a roll pin through it to block the release lever. It is moveable for storage but requires "tools" as required by law.

Sorry but I can't get past the look of the Thordsen stock.