Rare Breed - Slam Fire Triggers - "Forced Reset Trigger"

[hermosabeach]

Any input on the CA rulebook.... are these technically OK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAbb1xnqx5s

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https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com/

It's a forced reset trigger. Every time you shoot, your bolt carrier group (BCG) goes backward, resets, and sends another round into the chamber. This trigger has a mechanism that causes the BCG to reset your trigger while the BCG is back. So, your trigger resets, but your finger is still pulling on the trigger. As soon as the BCG slams forward, the round goes off because your trigger has been pulled.

Currently this is legal. I have a feeling it's going to go the way bump-stocks went, but I've got one and can play with it for now.

I managed to pick one up for $380. You'll find they're out of stock almost all the time. They update their stock with 250 new triggers every now and then, so just hit the "join waitlist" button, and keep your notifications on.

I was shooting 62gr PMC green tips. I tried putting the trigger in my CMMG MK-47, my side charging 300 blackout upper, and one of my .22 uppers. It didn't fit in any of them.

Make sure your bolt carrier group is full auto. It will not work without a full auto BCG. Google how to tell the difference, or ask me in the comments and I'll explain.

You've also got to make sure your buffer is heavy enough to cycle/reset the trigger. I threw it in with my stock M&P buffer and it didn't work. I replaced it with the CMMG buffer, and it worked perfectly. I swapped it out again with an H3 buffer, and I haven't had an issue.

[hermosabeach]

https://vimeo.com/486478480

https://vimeo.com/486484848

[ar15barrels]

Any input on the CA rulebook.... are these technically OK?

PC16930 has the answers you seek:

16930.
(a) As used in this part, a “multiburst trigger activator” means either of the following:

(1) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to, built into, or used in conjunction with, a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.

(2) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to, built into, or used in conjunction with, a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

(b) “Multiburst trigger activator” includes, but is not limited to, any of the following devices:

(1) A device that uses a spring, piston, or similar mechanism to push back against the recoil of a firearm, thereby moving the firearm in a back-and-forth motion and facilitating the rapid reset and activation of the trigger by a stationary finger. These devices are commonly known as bump stocks, bump fire stocks, or bump fire stock attachments.

(2) A device placed within the trigger guard of a firearm that uses a spring to push back against the recoil of the firearm causing the finger in the trigger guard to move back and forth and rapidly activate the trigger. These devices are commonly known as burst triggers.

(3) A mechanical device that activates the trigger of the firearm in rapid succession by turning a crank. These devices are commonly known as trigger cranks, gat cranks, gat triggers, or trigger actuators.

(4) Any aftermarket trigger or trigger system that, if installed, allows more than one round to be fired with a single depression of the trigger.

This trigger has a mechanism that causes the BCG to reset your trigger while the BCG is back.
So, your trigger resets, but your finger is still pulling on the trigger.
As soon as the BCG slams forward, the round goes off because your trigger has been pulled.

Sounds like (4) is a problem.

32900.
Except as provided in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

[Flintlock Tom]

So, does this keep firing as long as you hold the trigger back?

[H8Mud]

So, does this keep firing as long as you hold the trigger back?

Not really, while the bolt cycles the trigger resets pushing forward. This allows you to pull the trigger again before the bolt locks back in place, and once it does..bang it fires again. Fast rate of fire but technically 1 bang per trigger pull.

[Epaphroditus]

So, it fires like a bump stock. If you quickly tap the trigger it fires once.

If you pull the trigger and hold it back it fires once.

If you pull the trigger and hold it lightly it bump fires over and over.

Mechanically it's only one shot per trigger pull - the forced reset makes that happen.

It's very easy to get the bump fire action working so pretty much goes FA practically speaking.

Hard to actually order one. Big Daddy has them but the email notification comes saying they are in stock but they are sold out in moments. Gotta be quick.

Gun broker has a ton but they are $600.

It was fun for two 40 round mag dumps but the realization of the $ flying down range ... sold it soon after.

It was fun for a minute (my kids seriously loved it). I quickly took the FA BCG out ... the trigger was kind of terrible.

With a regular BCG it's plain Jane semi-auto - no bump fire action.

Technically, I think the PC for 'multiburst trigger activator' makes this a problem - same section that mentions bumpstocks. In CA I wouldn't risk it.

[Epaphroditus]

As far as buffers, it worked in every mid and rifle length with regular weight buffers.

[Epaphroditus]

PC 16930 (b) 1
That's the proble.

[Librarian]

The bitter call and response for this is

Is it likely to be fun?

CA makes it illegal.

[bohoki]

i wonder does it hurt your finger like the forced disconnect of a m-11

[mausercat]

In England a company came up with a lever release rifle that held the bolt back after every shot and this way it was not considered a semi auto. It was basically an AR-15 modified to hold the bolt back after every shot. It had an oversize bolt release on it so that the bolt could be easily released after every shot. They did this to overcome the semi-auto ban, but eventually even this action was banned. I have a Weatherby XXII with that feature. It is called single shot mode on my Weatherby XXII

[beanz2]

Even in a free state, I'm always worried what happened to bumpstocks would happen to forced reset triggers. The ATF would declare them illegal, then it would be years before the courts intervene, if ever.

As long as there is only a handful of dealers selling these, it would all be too easy for the feds to demand the buyers list from the vendors then they'd go after each buyer like they did with the AR auto sear coat hanger.

Again, one must ask (in a free state) if $30K is worth the peace of mind...

[Milsurp1]

16930(a)(2) looks like it covers this product also.

[hermosabeach]

not like a bump

So, it fires like a bump stock. If you quickly tap the trigger it fires once.

If you pull the trigger and hold it back it fires once.

If you pull the trigger and hold it lightly it bump fires over and over.

Mechanically it's only one shot per trigger pull - the forced reset makes that happen.

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Technically, I think the PC for 'multiburst trigger activator' makes this a problem - same section that mentions bumpstocks. In CA I wouldn't risk it.

The video shows how it works and why it needs an M16 bolt.

there is a part that is tripped by the rear of the bolt closing. When that is tripped, the sear is reset and will fire if you are still holding the trigger to the rear...

[sigstroker]

I think you'd have a very hard time convincing a cop it's not a machine gun. The lack of a semi position on the selector makes it worse.