Arizona Glock 44

[JRL]

If I live in California part of the year and live in Arizona part of the year and while I'm in Arizona buy a gun (Glock 44) that is not on the CA approved list what do I have to do to bring it into CA legally ? Thanks !

[pythonfan]

Unless your roster exempt.....you can't bring it here.

[PogoJack]

If you are a permanent resident of Arizona and have Arizona DL, you can own and keep whatever you want in AZ, and when visiting CA, you can bring it with you as long as you have 10 round magazines, comply with the storage and transport laws and it's not classified as an AW (California) or something else on their hit list. In the case of a Glock 44, you'd be fine with 10 round magazines.

[????? ????]

Under PC27585:

(a)Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless the person first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.)

[hermosabeach]

Ok
Different take

You are switching your residency between CA And Az
Your taxes include both CA And AZ


As an AZ resident you can buy that firearm.

You move to ca. You can bring the firearm here and self register as all new residents are required to do…

Your AZ license plates are surrendered to the CA DMV
Your AZ drivers license is surrendered to the CA DMV.


All’s good

But could this happen?

CA looks at the Voluntary registration form and sees you had some activity in CA!
Earned income in past year in CA
School in CA
Speeding / traffic ticket/ parking ticket while in CA

They see you have switched between AZ and CA paperwork a bunch of times.
CA and AZ share drivers license data.

Could they say you are a CA resident as you did not spend more than 11 months out of CA for the year?
Are you illegally importing firearms to CA?

Importing unsafe firearms?

Did you have a lease in CA while you claimed to be an AZ resident?
What towers did your cell phone connect to in past 12 months?



Some old people “snowbird” and that is understood.

I’m not sure I’ve heard of someone legally switching states
If residence multiple times in a year


So could you get away with this?

If someone looked carefully at your behavior, could you be setting yourself up for a nightmare? Possibly.

[micpib1]

Just to make sure I understand, I own property in Arizona and California, I have an Arizona ID and a California DL, so the guns I have purchased in Arizona must stay in Arizona and I can't legally register them here in California ?

[9Cal_OC]

Just to make sure I understand, I own property in Arizona and California, I have an Arizona ID and a California DL, so the guns I have purchased in Arizona must stay in Arizona and I can't legally register them here in California ?

That’s correct.

If On Roster, then they’ll have to be transferred to a CA FFL to complete DROS.

[L84CABO]

What state do you consider yourself a residence of? Or do you consider yourself a resident of both states?

Note that owning property in a different state doesn't mean much. Lots of folks have property (vacation homes, etc.) in a different state but that doesn't mean they're a resident of that state.

I looked into this notion of dual state residency a few years ago and it made my head spin. I never could figure out if it was legally possible to claim dual residency...to the point that you could legally purchase firearms in both states.

Some pertinent questions:

How much time do you spend in each state?

Do you work, and if so, which state are you payrolled through?

What is the purpose of your time in each state? For example, are you going to school in AZ or are you retired and you split your time?

Your DL is from California which is going to be a big indication from a government standpoint that CA is really your state of legal residency.

But where/how do you file your taxes? Do you file both a CA and AZ return?

[superhondaz50]

You cannot bring it into CA unless you have zero ties to CA and are a true, 100 percent AZ resident. AZ stuffs gotta stay in AZ, it's more fun to shoot there anyways.

[I Swan]

I've seen this as a mechanism many times to bring in off roster handguns to flip in CA. Some people are willing to commit a felony as their greed overrides their common sense.

[micpib1]

Thank you to all. JH

[superhondaz50]

I've seen this as a mechanism many times to bring in off roster handguns to flip in CA. Some people are willing to commit a felony as their greed overrides their common sense.

Ya, I never understood why someone was willing to risk their freedom, family and livelihood for a couple hundred extra bucks. Silly. Pay the premium for the off roster here or leave it in AZ.

[JRL]

Thanks everyone for your advice ..... I Think I will just keep the gun in Arizona as I don't want to risk it ... it's not worth it .

[jtv3062]

Just to make sure I understand, I own property in Arizona and California, I have an Arizona ID and a California DL, so the guns I have purchased in Arizona must stay in Arizona and I can't legally register them here in California ?

Which state is your residence in? From what I understand from thus forum years ago is that you must residence in the one state over 50% of the year.

[Quiet]

If I live in California part of the year and live in Arizona part of the year and while I'm in Arizona buy a gun (Glock 44) that is not on the CA approved list what do I have to do to bring it into CA legally ? Thanks !

CA laws requires a CA resident to utilize a CA FFL dealer to legally import firearms they acquired in another State into CA. [PC 27585(a)]
Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer equates to a misdemeanor per long gun and a felony per handgun. [PC 27590(a) and (c)(7)]
The CA DROS system will not allow a CA resident to import a non-exempt off-Roster handgun into CA.

Since, you are maintaining your CA residency, any firearm you acquire in AZ as an AZ resident must be kept in AZ or they must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer (DROS/10 day wait/1 in 30 day wait) them to you.
^The firearms needs to be CA legal and if they are handguns, then they must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it (LEO, C&R, OTP, SAE, SSE2).

Which state is your residence in? From what I understand from thus forum years ago is that you must residence in the one state over 50% of the year.

Each State utilizes their own methods to determine if a person is a resident of that State.

If a person owns or rents any property in CA, then CA considers that person a CA resident.
^Other actions that make a person a CA resident... Having a valid CA DL/ID, being registered to vote in CA, paying any type of insurance in CA, having your children enrolled in a K-12 school in CA, paying resident tution for a college/university in CA, etc.
~If a person maintains any of the above mentioned examples while they are residing in another State, CA will still consider that person to be a CA resident.

CA only utilizes length of stay to determine if a person is a CA resident, when that person's stays are transitory or temporary in nature.
Temporary or transitory equating to living in a hotel/motel room and/or living out of a RV.
If the temporary or transitory stays total up to 9 or more months of time (all time is added up, even the non-consective stays), then they are considered a CA resident.