CA and the future of AR pistols.

[D.void]

So with what looks like the end of Pistol braces in the near future, what does that mean for CA pistol owners? Obviously we will not be able to take advantage of the free SBR tax stamp, but what about registering as an AOW? Is that still a feasible option? Will we only be allowed a padded pistol buffer tube? Or will Pistols just be outlawed outright? I know this is all conjecture, but what say the Calguns hive?

[OlderThanDirt]

[pythonfan]

Pistol braces are a device for disabled folks to be able to control their large pistol. Biden wants to discriminate against disabled folks. Headline news on cnn......or crickets.

[M1NM]

Banning the brace will be found illegal reach just like the bump stock. There is no crime in owning a brace. Having an upper with less than 16" barrel will be the precursor. You can make a legal rifle with a brace and barrel long enough to be 26" overall. An SBR is under 26" and shoulder fired.

[D.void]

A pistol buffer tube is just a regular buffer tube for an AR15 without the holes for adjustment of length of pull for a stock. They sometimes have soft foam surrounding them too. They are functionally identical to a regular buffer tube but show that there is no intention of using a stock.

[DudeFromTheWest]

If the issue is with the brace alone, then basically you would have to dispose of the brace, much in the same way the bump stock ban worked.

If its the entire classification that AR pistols are all SBR's regardless....well, no one knows. CA may have a grandfathering period, like a one time thing, where we can register AR pistols, as SBRs, without the need for a "Dangerous Weapons Permit" + allow us to do the federal NFA registration. Thats if everything goes well. If CA does not do this, which will basically be a blanket ban on AR pistols at that point, then they would have to be sold off to an NFA friendly state, or be removed from the state so they can remain as a SBR in another state.

AOW's are not gonna happen. I actually looked into a AOW AR many years ago, at the time I was nursing a Bullet Button RAW (this was years before the ban on those), and was basically told "fat chance". CA does not have an AOW classification per-sey, its either a rifle (or SBR), or pistol, there is no exception to this as far as I know, as there is with other states.

[flysart]

Is everyone expecting a brace ban, or automatic NFA classification? I would be surprised, and would think existing owners grandfathered in - similar to that recent ATF letter which was withdrawn.

[sbo80]

A "pistol buffer tube" is not required on an AR pistol. Doesn't matter if the buffer tube still has the stock mounting part. Just don't put a stock on it, and it has no stock. The first AR pistol I had, I wrapped it with 550 cord, which worked ok. Personally I like the CAA cheek rest. It's not really a brace, and is quite comfortable to shoot. It'll depend on how they redefine things, if they do, whether that would get wrapped up in the brace issue. If I had to bet though, I think they'll focus on figuring out how to make all AR pistols into NFA and bypass the brace issue altogether.

[AGGRO]

What is a pistol buffer and what does it do?

Do you work for the Govt? ATF or DOJ?

[C.G.]

Mine works fine without a brace, never had one.

[vdubber]

Mine works fine without a brace, never had one.

What do you use?

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[ar15barrels]

So with what looks like the end of Pistol braces in the near future, what does that mean for CA pistol owners?
Obviously we will not be able to take advantage of the free SBR tax stamp, but what about registering as an AOW?

State and federal definitions of SBR are different.
A CA legal pistol with a brace can BE a pistol in CA and also an SBR according to the feds.
This means it could be registered as a FEDERAL SBR in order to keep the brace without being a STATE SBR.
You would not be able to install a stock on your pistol in CA as that would make it a STATE SBR, but you could take that SBR to another state and use it with the stock.

This is exactly the same as people that have SBR's in other states and install 16"+ barrels on them when they travel to CA.
The FEDERAL SBR is not a problem in CA as long as it's configured to be legal within CA while it is physically within CA.

I'll be collecting all the free SBR stamps I can.
It will save me the stamp cost that I would have spent anyways when I eventually move out of CA.

[ar15barrels]

What do you use?

Probably the pistol grip...

[Experimentalist]

Do you work for the Govt? ATF or DOJ?

No reason to be mean to the new members. A simple question regarding the function of firearm components should be met with a straightforward answer.

To ThatPunkGirl: On semi-automatic firearms there typically is a spring that returns the mechanism to firing position after the weapon has been fired and the spent case is extracted and ejected. On AR-15 style rifles that spring is housed in what is called a buffer tube. The name "buffer tube" comes from the fact that in the AR-15 rifle there is a mechanical buffer in addition to the spring that adds inertia to the recoil process. This buffer tube extends behind the firearm, and is typically housed within the stock in a rifle. On an AR style pistol that buffer tube serves as a mounting location for the brace (not stock) if a brace is included. Else the buffer tube may have some foam wrapped around for comfort of the shooter should the tube make contact with the shooters cheek. You likely have noticed the difference in semantics between stock and brace. A stock is found on a rifle and is used to mount a rifle to the shooters shoulder. A brace is used by disabled folk to stabilize the pistol to their forearm. There are important legal reasons why one does not mount a stock on a pistol, relating to short barrel rifle regulations. Hopefully this helps.

There. See AGGRO? That wasn't really so hard, was it?

[Endless]

Like I have said numerous times; These executive orders will hit liberal states the hardest. It will absolutely not apply here. Our sheriff and existing state laws forbid any federal interference from laws to executive orders and are deemed unenforceable as per our sheriff and governor. In fact I spoke to our sheriff last month at a gun show. He flat out said “ f**k Biden and his agenda.”

Former Vice President Biden can sign all the executive orders he wants and at the end of the day they will not apply in our county, ever.

Nothing changes in my legal right to own my SBRd, suppressor’d mk18 or anyone’s right in free conservative states.