Leverguns: combat/duty usage.

[MissiontoMars]

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[tabascoz28]

They'd probably just use a mini 14 if they took those criticisms seriously. If thugs have AKs and ARs, would you use a lever gun? Don't get me wrong, I love all my guns from every era, but unless the perp was using a full auto glock spraying everywhere and unable to aim, I'd grab that AR and put that fool down fast.

[John Browning]

The Indians at Little Big Horn used them to wipe out a US unit in an Army dedicated to limiting firepower to conserve ammo. The US Army, never ceasing to be a slow adopter, got their buts kicked by fast loading Mausers vs. their Krags.

The whole PR/PC muh weapons are slow to load, slow to operate, and have no tactical upside but don't look scary is retarded. Like next level Gavin Newsom eating lead paint while high on meth retarded. If I were in a fight for life situation, I want every evil, nasty, non PC advantage I can get.

[Verdha603]

To my knowledge the last time lever guns were considered commonplace in law enforcement hands was the 1970's and into the 80's, usually serving alongside M1 carbines and bolt-action hunting rifles in rural departments due to limited funds. They then got pushed out due to criminals arming up and law enforcement focusing on semi-auto rifles like the Mini-14/AR-15 to better combat criminals moving up to automatic weapons or "tactical" semi-auto small arms like the semi-auto MAC-10/11 and TEC-9 variants.

Also at least from what I've discussed with LEO's regarding what they use, chances are unlike you'll ever see them go back to manually operated rifles (bolt-action marksmen rifles the exception). The San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department opted for adopting the Mini-14 instead of the AR-15 in the 1990's to counter problems of "public image", but you still have a semi-auto rifle firing intermediate cartridges from a detachable magazine, even if it's clad in wood furniture.

Frankly the only place I see "tactical" lever guns having a place is in a civilian application in locales where semi-auto rifles are restricted (ie California/NY) where a "tactical" lever action is a practical alternative to avoid any legal issues involving a semi-auto, and a half dozen rounds of .30-30 (ballistically similar to the much maligned 7.62x39mm round chambered in the AK and SKS) or ten rounds of .357/.44 Magnum out of carbine is a lot more firepower than most other manually operated options out there.

[MissiontoMars]

[Imageview]

Turkey used leverguns for their military in late 19th century. From my understanding, they were moderately successful with them, and were part of the impetus behind the development of the mosin.

[naz]

Blued metal and walnut certainly have a warmer, more nostalgic response from most folks (in my experience), when shown a 336/Model 94 and an AR15..

[hermosabeach]

My guess is you could find lever guns with Police agencies in Alaska...

Injured Moose needs to be put down... either 12 gauge slug or a rifle round big enough for moose...

https://www.wildwestguns.com/

https://www.wildwestguns.com/custom-guns/ak-guide/

AK = Alaska

These folks make and modify lever guns... they will make almost anything into a take down.

[200Apples]

The Indians at Little Big Horn used them to wipe out a US unit in an Army dedicated to limiting firepower to conserve ammo. The US Army, never ceasing to be a slow adopter, got their buts kicked by fast loading Mausers vs. their Krags.

What?

Nobody had Mausers and Krags at Little Bighorn in June of 1876.


The Sioux/Lakota and the Cheyenne used Henry and Spencer repeaters. The U.S. Cavalry had Colt Peacemakers and single-shot Springfield 1873 rifles.

Not only were the Cavalry outnumbered, they were also outdone in regards to volume of fire.

[200Apples]

Here's a dude using a Marlin 1894 .357 (holds 9 rounds iirc) on a contemporary law enforcement firearms training course of fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUoGQIST1U

[200Apples]

This is a favorite gun culture celebrity of mine, Sheriff Jim Wilson.

Sheriff's Tip: Lever Guns for personal protection

[smle-man]

The Winchester 95 was used extensively in WW1 by the Russians, by the Republicans in the Spanish civil war, and by the Finns in their war of Independence against the Bolsheviks and later v the Soviet s in the winter war.

[SharedShots]

The Indians at Little Big Horn used them to wipe out a US unit in an Army dedicated to limiting firepower to conserve ammo. The US Army, never ceasing to be a slow adopter, got their buts kicked by fast loading Mausers vs. their Krags.

The whole PR/PC muh weapons are slow to load, slow to operate, and have no tactical upside but don't look scary is retarded. Like next level Gavin Newsom eating lead paint while high on meth retarded. If I were in a fight for life situation, I want every evil, nasty, non PC advantage I can get.

About Little Big Horn, that isn't quite true. First, about half of the Regiment survived, it was split up and it was the divisional part with Custer that was killed. The soldiers that were killed there weren't wiped out because they tried to conserve ammunition, their tactics were wrong for the engagement and the leadership they had was poor. The soldiers were a mounted cavalry trying to fight dismounted, that is a fact and something for which they weren't trained to do well since they weren't trained all that well anyway. Once they dismounted they lost mobility and were completely defensive. It wasn't so much that they were poorly trained individually but that once the leadership failed they fell apart as a cohesive fighting force. There were no effective command at the battle.

It wasn't the rifles, trying to conserve ammo, it was the tactics poor training and piss poor leadership that got them killed. It also wasn't about the volume of fire, they were out maneuvered, tried to defend in place and got divided into smaller groups that couldn't support each other. Once that happened it was the end and it wouldn't have mattered how much ammo they could fire.

[P5Ret]

Henry's were .44 rim fire, as was the Winchester 1866. Starting with the 1873 Winchesters were chambered in 44-40. A common misconception is that Winchesters were .45 Colt, but most were 44-40, since Sam Colt's widow would not release the patent on the .45 Colt round.

[papaboomboom]

Mauser vs Krag example refers to Spanish American War in 1898. Spaniards had Mauser, superior tour Krags