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Is it possible that George Soros, Bloomberg, et al are buying ammo through ghost corporations? I know there are 5-7 million new shooters, but they are not buying hunting ammo as newbies...Please express your thoughts.
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My thought is probably not. A full panic happened, everyone started buying all the guns and ammo they could.Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.
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Market has record of large demand increase after a democrat president taking office. Everyone is stockpiling. RifleGear sold all 8 $1900 Daniel Defense in 2 days.Comment
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Soros is buying-up 2-5 boxes of ammo at a time? That is how a lot of retail ammo is sold since there are limits-per-customer on most calibers.
Ghost corporations? Sheesh!
His money is better spent controlling media & putting grabbers into office to turn red states blue. That seems to be working well enough.Vae VictisComment
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Why wouldn't they be buying hunting ammo as newbies? A good number of firearms are purchased by 'new' hunters. There's also the fact that California's non-lead ammunition requirement isn't a national one and, thus, the non-lead ammo is only a portion of overall ammunition production. Likewise, Remington just went through bankruptcy and, whether one personally uses the Remington hunting ammunition or not, they did provide a significant portion of hunting ammunition.
Is it possible that people such as Bloomberg/Soros are 'removing' ammunition from store shelves? Anything is 'possible;' but, as with past shortages, it's more likely that it's a combination of the same old song and dance. Have people such as Bloomberg/Soros influenced the song and dance? Absolutely. But, I don't perceive a 'need' for them to simply buy ammo to keep it out of the hands of gun owners.
Much like we saw with the shortages in the grocery stores last year (including 'toilet paper'), manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers... the supply chain... is managed to meet anticipated demand, not actual demand. Raw materials are purchased at levels so that manufacturers can produce at levels wholesalers anticipate buying at, which, in turn, is based on retailers and their assessment of what customers will be demanding or, in some cases, based on what the retailers themselves figure they can 'sell' to customers.
When demand exceeds those estimates, it takes time for the chain to adjust and, sometimes, as the ammo manufacturers have been saying, an adjustment isn't made beyond what many would deem a 'minimal' attempt to meet some level of the current demand. The claim being that the excess demand will abate and will return to normal levels; maybe even less than normal for a time. Thus, they cannot be expected to invest in materials, equipment, and employees that will remain idle during the normal/less than normal times.
Many have argued, with some legitimacy, that these 'high demand periods' have become more and more frequent, making them less anomalous and more a 'norm.' Unfortunately, one of the criticisms of American business over the years has been 'short term thinking' and what is, generally, meant by that is "less than 10 years." Obama took office in 2009. Even with the increased demand, it was never high enough, long enough to justify the investment toward increased capacity. In fact, the ammo manufacturers have argued just that.
With Trump, demand actually declined; thus, the "Trump Slump" from 2017 - 2020. Thus, the 10-year period from 2009 - 2020, while there were shortages, never gained enough longevity to compel ammo manufacturers to invest toward increased capacity. During 2020, the demand for ammunition didn't immediately spike to the point of not having enough or anything on the shelves. It's only been, for most people, since about July 2020 that demand has significantly increased and not all of those were 'new gun owners;' though the new gun owners has exponentially increased in that time frame.
Does a "7-10 month" increase in demand, no matter how significant, justify the investment, an investment which would take years to amortize? The ammunition manufacturers say "No" and with some justification. Remember, they are looking at the cycles in conjunction with planning for next year, the next 5 years, and the next 10 years.
Such planning is also influenced by the type of activities, including hunting, which are pursued with firearms. Over the last couple of decades, there is 'evidence' and 'spin' that... Hunting is ‘slowly dying off,’ and that has created a crisis for the nation’s many endangered species Such also impacts the production of 'hunting ammunition.' The less demand, the less produced. The less produced, the less that's on the shelf. The higher demand for ammunition in general, the less ammunition readily available, meaning that people will begin buying 'anything' that 'fits' their firearm so they have something. So, hunting ammunition is purchased, even if it is not intended to be used for hunting; meaning that hunters looking for hunting ammunition have less available.
Rinse and repeat.Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 03-01-2021, 12:13 AM.Comment
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Having some experience with the ammunition business, I can tell you that this is plain old supply and demand.
Can't speak to the flat earth, faked moon landing and holocaust, JFK Jr., etc., etc. but the ammo shortage at least is not caused by the the bogey-man.FOR SALE - Orange CountyComment
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Actually it is space aliens, they need the small rifle primers in order for there rectal probes to work.
Either that or it has to do with why Kayaks, RV's, tents, fishing gear, hiking gear, golf etc are all sold out across the country... It is almost as if something happened that prevented gatherings indoors and encouraged people to find new outdoor activities...Comment
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Trapped, thank you for your thoughtful reply to OP’s question.Comment
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Its a possible theory.
I see the point in controlling the market. If guns are difficult to remove from society, then buy up the ammo and give gun owners nothing to shoot with. I have said several times, the left will never stop and have the money to keep pushing forward.
Tho your thought is fairly valid, I would guess with the closure of all types of manufactureing during the Covid days, production was halted while products were being purchased. Now that production is back on, the demand is much higher then the production, which in turn will keep the ammo shortage here for the next year or even longer.Comment
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Nope this was the perfect storm unlike any other , no conspiracy can explain it away. It was fear by more than just gun owners this time. Toilet paper , hand sanitizer , riots , protests , people thinking their rights were/are bigger than the whole of humanity , closures of business , no school and a few natural disasters thrown in.
Perfect storm."Common sense is self defense"Comment
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Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)
Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
(thanks to Jeff Cooper)Comment
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No. I doubt they give a crap. They aren’t gonna tie in millions of dollars in buying ammo. Unless they are gonna be a middleman and make a profit. But buy and hold...doubt t. It’s caused by people panicking and over buying ammo and reloading components.
Like anything else you’ll eventually see a lot of stuff go up for sale at insane prices when everything will come back in stock.....it’s no different than the Obama panic and afterwards everyone was trying to sell the guns they overpaid for the same amount they paid when the same gun in the stores was available for $30% less. So stuff will sit there getting terminal bump status.
I just bought some gunpowder for $20 a bottle. I wait for a realistic price. If I find it I buy it. Otherwise...I’ll wait.
I shoot less. I have snap caps for memory drills. I also reload but my issue is getting replenished. So I just shoot a bit less. No big deal. I’m not going hunting this year.Last edited by Rob454; 03-01-2021, 10:45 PM.Comment
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