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  • Spaceghost
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2006
    • 5772

    Traveling w/ a Garand, the horror!

    First off, I got a garand for my Dad, it was his 60th birthday the day before thanksgiving and he is a gun guy like the rest of us. He lives not too far from Miami, so we booked a non-stop flight from SFO to MIA. Doesn't that just sound bad? It was a red-eye leaving at 10 p.m.
    We go to check in and I declare I have a firearm in the case. The ticketing agents tell us to wait and the TSA guy will come to us. It was late, so they were just going to check the weapon at the counter. I didn't like the idea, but I agreed. I filled out some paper work stating that the weapon is not loaded.
    A guy in plain clothes shows up to the counter. I open the case for him and he starts looking behind the foam for lose rounds. I had the bolt closed, and asked if I should open it and prove to him the weapon is clear. He says, no. He points to the rear sight and states he can tell the weapon isn't loaded. I explain to him that is the rear sight and rounds are chambered here, pointing to where the bolt meets the receiver. He shrugged. I said, "I am going to show you anyways, just so I feel better." I pull the bolt back and stick my finger in the barrel to show that there is no ammo in the weapon." We lock up the case and it is carried off. I asked how do I go about getting the case when we land in Miami? The agents informed me they will hand carry it to me at the baggage claim.
    We land in Miami, my wife and I were at the back of the plane and it took forever for us to get off. We walked quite a distance to the baggage claim. I see an employee behind a counter and ask for my firearm, since it was going to be hand carried to me. She tells me it will be coming out with the other luggage. I said, Excuse me. I must of miss-understood because a firearm SHOULD not be placed with the other bags, it is should be handed to me personally. She tells me I am not mistaken and it will be with the other bags. I look to the moving luggage and see my case with the other bags and people pointing at it. I turned and SPRINTED to grab it before someone else did.
    I must say, I am not traveling with a firearm any time soon. It was a total disaster from start to finish. Miami airport is infamous for people stealing luggage. I think on Monday I am writing not so pleasant letters to both TSA, for their incompetent employee, and the airline I traveled with for placing a firearm with the other luggage instead of handing it to me personally as promised by their agents.
    Anyone thinking of traveling with firearms beware of Miami airport!
  • #2
    Eljay
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4985

    So which airline was it? The usual recommendation is to fly with Southwest - they're very competent when it comes to dealing with firearms.

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    • #3
      Omega13device
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 1943

      ALWAYS USE FEDEX.

      That said, I suspect that every airport has their own way of doing things. I wouldn't freak out over the fact that the guy at SFO doesn't know how the exact procedure at every other airport. I assume you weren't using a case that made it obvious what you had...in that case I doubt you were in any danger of losing your rifle.

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      • #4
        50ae
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 572

        I always put my rifles in my green sea bag from boot camp along with some extra clothes so it just looks like any other poor boy luggage.
        Proud to be a SoCal expatriate currently living in DFW, TX.

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        • #5
          hoffmang
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          • Apr 2006
          • 18448

          I'm pretty sure the only direct from SFO at MIA is AA. Drives me nuts every time I fly to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show.

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          • #6
            Sgt Raven
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 3767

            According to Federal law they're not suppose to mark cases containing firearms any different then other luggage, so how would they know it contained a firearm?
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            • #7
              M. Sage
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              • Jul 2006
              • 19759

              Originally posted by Omega13device
              I wouldn't freak out over the fact that the guy at SFO doesn't know how the exact procedure at every other airport.
              Funny you say that. I picked my mother up at SFO on Tuesday evening, and as we were waiting (at the United baggage carousel number 5) for her luggage, I saw someone's rifle case come around. Being as cavalier as I am toward guns, I just pointed and said "ooh, someone took a hunting trip." It wasn't till I was leaving, checking and not finding my knife in my pocket for the 100'th time (yeah, I'm paranoid about carrying a knife into an airport), that I realized that a rifle case probably shouldn't have been on the luggage carousel.

              Also, my dear mom tells me the Key Defender pepper spray she's got is now considered "ok" to take on a plane by the TSA. Funny thing is, I seem to remember that any pressurized cylinder (full or not) isn't allowed onto a flight by the FAA.

              The TSA has no clue what's going on, and I have a suspision (and have had for a loooong time now) that they wind up hiring morons.
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              • #8
                bg
                Calguns Addict
                • Aug 2002
                • 5207

                Well I think the next important question is....How'd
                your Father like the Garand ? What make was it, and
                did you get it through CMP ?

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                • #9
                  bwiese
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 27611

                  Don't be afraid to fly with firearms. I do it all the time.

                  Also, you made the mistake of trying to demonstrate that it's empty. There is no real need to do that, you merely declare it's empty with a signed 'Firearms Declared' card. [And it damned better well be empty!].

                  No airline policy I know of requires this. If the counter girl mistakenly asks to do that, show her the regulations you've printed out from that particular airline's luggage/dangerous items policy website. Ask her if she'd really know what those gun looks like loaded vs. unloaded. After her blank stare, ask whether or not it might make folks nervous if guns started coming out. After she wisely agrees with you, things will proceed smoothly.

                  Just ship ammo separately (i.e., in regular luggage and not in gun case). While not required by some airlines, it may make things go more smoothly.

                  You can ask for your gun case(s) to be shipped for 'ID required' pickup at the oversize luggage office BUT DO NOT COUNT ON IT, this often gets bollixed up.

                  When you are disembarking from plane, GET THE F*** OFF THE PLANE ASAP so you can beat the luggage to the carousel. Do not tarry - don't get coffee, pee, socialize, wait for other family members - they can meet you at the luggage carousel.

                  Even if you've requested your rifles to be held at the luggage office, don't count on this: wait by the carousel until all luggage from your flight is dispersed to see if yours comes down the chute.

                  You can kinda-sorta "insure" your rifle beyond $1200 limit. It's around $10 per extra $1K coverage, and it's called "excess value coverage". It's not insurance per se, but protects primarily against loss and destruction (but not certain kinds of damage, esp w/things like scopes). It may help with tracking/special treatment, dunno...

                  If you take a multileg flight, check with gate girls to see that your luggage has made it onto your flight, esp if there's a tight connection. If the girl flops her blonde ponytail and says "of course", you know you have a problem: at that point, inform her that you are travelling with lawful, declared firearms and they really need to go to their intended destination with you. They will most likely check for you - I've even been upgraded to 1st class due to this.

                  I've flown with 2 ARs, a FAL and a Glock in a Starlight case. I regularly travel with at least one AR, or an AR & a handgun of some sort (my "comfort gun").

                  I want more & more folks to travel with guns so it becomes a customary thing , so airlines are used to doing this. Southwest & Alaska/Horizon do pretty well with it.
                  Last edited by bwiese; 11-26-2006, 2:49 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Poohgyrr
                    Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 278

                    Hmmm, I'm old and forgetful sometimes...

                    I thought you had to personally deliver you handgun(s) to the TSA Agent & they are basically the only ones allowed to handle it. In my quick scan through this thread, it sounds like someting else was done with the Garand. Are handguns different from longguns??
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                    • #11
                      bwiese
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 27611

                      Originally posted by Poohgyrr
                      I thought you had to personally deliver you handgun(s) to the TSA Agent & they are basically the only ones allowed to handle it. In my quick scan through this thread, it sounds like someting else was done with the Garand. Are handguns different from longguns??
                      No, TSA ain't allowed to touch guns. (They may not know the rule though).

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                      San Jose, CA

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                      • #12
                        Poohgyrr
                        Member
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 278

                        Thanks. I haven't flown with a longgun, but it sounds good.
                        John
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                        • #13
                          califcowboy
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 746

                          I've flown with guns about a dozen times on Southwest and never had a problem. We're packed in like sardines, but they treat our guns pretty well.

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                          • #14
                            Spaceghost
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2006
                            • 5772

                            Originally posted by bg
                            Well I think the next important question is....How'd
                            your Father like the Garand ? What make was it, and
                            did you get it through CMP ?

                            He loved it. When he opened up the case and realized what it was, he lit up like a christmass tree. He seriously just sat in his recliner and looked at it, from every angle possible for at least half an hour. We took it to the range the next day, and she did just fine. There are a few things he is going to want to take her to a gunsmith about. The trigger pull is terrible and a new barrel wouldn't hurt either. I would say I made son of the year in his eyes.

                            *edit* grammar is not my forte
                            Last edited by Spaceghost; 11-27-2006, 11:18 AM.

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                            • #15
                              PatrickM.
                              Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 254

                              I always pack my firearms into my normal luggage....


                              I guest if the bag looks like normal pack the possibility of it getting stolen and creating a situation.

                              Patick M.

                              I also second using southwest! Their ticket agents know what they are doing.


                              Patrick M.
                              "No, what you've have are bullets, and the hope that when your guns are empty I will no longer be standing, because if I am you will all be dead before you've reloaded."

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