Question: 16" BBRAW + Law Folder = OK?

[tradecraft]

Wondering if this passes the sniff test, I did some research but wanted to feel warm and cozy since it's some serious stuff. This is for a very specific transport situation, which is why I'd like to reduce the rifle's length.

16" AR-style BBRAW with a longish unpinned muzzle device + Law Folding Adapter appears to be comfortably over 26" OAL (just measured it)

OAL is measured with the muzzle device on correct? Is anyone else running this setup?

[SkyHawk]

Feds and state both require permanently attached muzzle device if you are counting it towards OAL.

11 CCR 5471

For purpose of Penal Code section 30515 and this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(x) "Overall length of less than 30 inches" with respect to a centerfire rifle means the rifle has been measured in the shortest possible configuration that the weapon will function/fire and the measurement is less than 30 inches. Folding and telescoping stocks shall be collapsed prior to measurement. The approved method for measuring the length of the rifle is to measure the firearm from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device, if so equipped, to that part of the stock that is furthest from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device. (Prior to taking a measurement the owner must also check any muzzle devices for how they are attached to the barrel.)

Otherwise if the OAL is 26"+ without the muzzle device, then you are good to go.

[tradecraft]

Rats. Thanks Skyhawk. I wonder how people are pulling this off then.

[heavyrecoil]

[ohsmily]

I thought the gun had to be able to be fired with the stock folded/collapsed to be in violation of the CA law?

I believe this device allows for the rifle to be fired while folded albeit only once and with damage to the device and the rifle if it is done. Thus, it can still be fired when folded.

[hitdank]

You will just lose an eye when the carrier slams into you.

[Quiet]

Doesn’t this device make the gun non-functional when its “folded,” much like some of the Kel Tec products? If so, would it still be an issue? I thought the gun had to be able to be fired with the stock folded/collapsed to be in violation of the CA law?

I believe this device allows for the rifle to be fired while folded albeit only once and with damage to the device and the rifle if it is done. Thus, it can still be fired when folded.

When the stock on the Kel-Tec SU-16A/B/CA folds, it disengages the trigger group from the receiver. Which makes it impossible to discharge the firearm by pulling the trigger.

The manufacturers of the folding adaptor have stated that with it folded it does not disable the firearm from firing and that it will still discharge if fired when folded, but doing so will damage the firearm.

Since the firearm can still discharge when folded, the overall length is measured with it folded.

Feds and state both require permanently attached muzzle device if you are counting it towards OAL.

Otherwise if the OAL is 26"+ without the muzzle device, then you are good to go.

Rats. Thanks Skyhawk. I wonder how people are pulling this off then.

In CA, they would permanently attach the muzzle device, so that it can be included when measuring overall length.

Under Federal laws/regulations...
If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun; then for the purpose of measuring overall length, the muzzle device does not need to be permanently attached and the shoulder stock is extended/deployed.
If the firearm is an AOW, handgun, or other; then for the purpose of measuring overall length, the muzzle dvice needs to be permanently attached and any extension or arm stablizing brace is removed or, if permanently attached, folded/collapsed.