Former Torrance Police Officer Agrees to Plead Guilty to Illegally Acting as Firearms

[deephouse]

Not really sure where this topic belongs... but this seemed like a safe spot.
Anyways, Just sharing:

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/former-torrance-police-officer-agrees-plead-guilty-illegally-acting-firearms-dealer

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/former-torrance-police-officer-agrees-plead-guilty-illegally-acting-firearms-dealer

[RiskyBusiness]

What if an officer dropped 50k on off roster handguns, and waited till retirement to sell them all. Thatd be 100k investment and legal because of the time gap right?

[billkohatsu]

Stupid laws should be exploited frequently to get overturned.

[A-J]

What if an officer dropped 50k on off roster handguns, and waited till retirement to sell them all. Thatd be 100k investment and legal because of the time gap right?

Not if he bought with the sole intent of selling them. Of course, IANAL, and LE gets preferential treatment in these cases. If you me or anyone else had done this, we'd be looking at 20 years in the pen on all charges. This guy gets a plea to 2 counts. Leland Yee got 5 years for selling full auto and various grenades and other explosives.

[Mr. Blue]

The Roster proving its absurdity.

[Robert1234]

Remove all exemptions to the Roster, including police departments, government agencies, and anyone or any agency buying any off-roster gun, and watch how fast the roster goes away.

Some enterprising individual or organization needs to get a ballot initiative started, similar to when the Javitts organization got Prop 13 started. No exemptions to the Roster, no exemptions to the 10 round magazine rule. The laws would die the day after the Propositions got enacted into law

[SVT-40]

Not if he bought with the sole intent of selling them. Of course, IANAL, and LE gets preferential treatment in these cases. If you me or anyone else had done this, we'd be looking at 20 years in the pen on all charges. This guy gets a plea to 2 counts. Leland Yee got 5 years for selling full auto and various grenades and other explosives.

Ha. Nobody get real time for any felony anymore.

It doesn't matter who you are. Even felons with many many previous convictions.

[SouthCityShooter]

Someone please tell me what small percentage of CA LEO's does NOT do this?!

It widely understood and known that Cal LE uses off roster handguns to supplement their 'spiked' six figure tax payer funded pensions. I don't blame them for using whatever the rules are to their maximum advantage. That is human nature.

Almost every off roster weapon I've bought in CA I've handed some CA LEO a $500 minimum 'CA Premium' in order to get. Rightly of wrongly, that's just how the system/game works. I accept it and buy what I really want. Because I am not 'roster exempt', I content myself with it and am really happy to be able to get exactly what I really want.

Cost of living in CA. Can't say I'm happy about it, but that's just the cost of living in this amazing, beautiful place.

I would be willing to wager CA LEO's are the single biggest source of off roster handguns coming into the state of CA.

If we collectively see this as a problem, let's change the system. Rather than arbitrarily singling out one person out of ten thousands that do this.

If your search 'fu' is any good you can find three or four other stories on here over the last several years of CA LEO's getting busted for really abusing their 'roster exempt' privilege. As I remember this, in each of those cases those people all sold multiple, plural, several hundred, or in one case over a thousand off roster guns in CA over decades. This guy got busted for only forty eight guns. . . this is really sketch.

There is more to this story. He wasn't the nail that stuck up. This stepped in it somehow. Or, he pissed someone off.

[Maulerrr]

Cool story. But we all know most off roster guns come from law enforcement officers here in CA already anyway, so not surprising.

I don't wish anything badly upon him. Im sure I'd game the system too if I had his privileges.

He was just stupid enough to get caught.

[Mr. Blue]

Someone please tell me what small percentage of CA LEO's does NOT do this?!

It widely understood and known that Cal LE uses off roster handguns to supplement their 'spiked' six figure tax payer funded pensions. I don't blame them for using whatever the rules are to their maximum advantage. That is human nature.

Almost every off roster weapon I've bought in CA I've handed some CA LEO a $500 minimum 'CA Premium' in order to get. Rightly of wrongly, that's just how the system/game works. I accept it and buy what I really want. Because I am not 'roster exempt', I content myself with it and am really happy to be able to get exactly what I really want.

Cost of living in CA. Can't say I'm happy about it, but that's just the cost of living in this amazing, beautiful place.

I would be willing to wager CA LEO's are the single biggest source of off roster handguns coming into the state of CA.

If we collectively see this as a problem, let's change the system. Rather than arbitrarily singling out one person out of ten thousands that do this.

If your search 'fu' is any good you can find three or four other stories on here over the last several years of CA LEO's getting busted for really abusing their 'roster exempt' privilege. As I remember this, in each of those cases those people all sold multiple, plural, several hundred, or in one case over a thousand off roster guns in CA over decades. This guy got busted for only forty eight guns. . . this is really sketch.

There is more to this story. He wasn't the nail that stuck up. This stepped in it somehow. Or, he pissed someone off.

[SkyHawk]

So 48 guns over 8.5 years is not a lot, but where he went wrong IMO was selling 18 of them within 30 days of acquisition. That stinks of unlicensed gun dealer, to say nothing of abusing his roster exempt privilege.

[Robert1234]

That stinks of unlicensed gun dealer, to say nothing of abusing his roster exempt privilege.

If he bought and sold 48 bicycles within 30 days of buying them, would he be going to jail?

And thanks to his roster exempt privilege, there are over 48 guns that would otherwise be unavailable to mortals in the system.

I don't agree with the exemption, if it went away (all exemptions, including governments and agencies), the roster would die in short order, but this is the very definition of a victimless crime. Willing buyers gave him money for something he acquired legally. Seems the flaw in his plan was actually selling the guns through a dealer. If he hadn't (sold the guns through an FFL), in essence, if he had violated the law when selling the guns, nobody'd be the wiser.

[bohoki]

if a person specified they wanted a certain gun and he bought it for them then yea he broke the law

[Dirk Tungsten]

If he bought and sold 48 bicycles within 30 days of buying them, would he be going to jail?

Is someone selling bicycles required by federal law to become a bicycle vendor and get federally licensed?

[003]

if a person specified they wanted a certain gun and he bought it for them then yea he broke the law

He also broke the law by being in the business of selling firearms for a profit and not having the necessary licenses.

One or two sales a year is one thing, selling on an ongoing basis is running a business without a license.