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  • MarikinaMan
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 4864

    IR Laser Rifle Parellel Zero Process (when no slaved vis laser)

    This is part of a series on how to zero an IR laser when there is no slaved laser. Also when there is no commercially available target to zero the laser available.

    Tools and Supplies
    - laser bore sighter
    - tape, paper, cardboard, scissors and a fine tip marker
    - necessary tools to zero the lasers
    - rifle stand

    First, to create a target for zeroing, one must know the offset between the bore and the IR laser.

    Put the rifle on a stable rifle stand and set up a solid target stand in front of the barrel. I used index cards. Insert the laser bore sighter into the rifle and mark the center of the laser dot.



    Then, turn down the lights, and put on IR goggles. Turn on the IR laser and mark the center of the IR dot, without moving the target.

    I did this exercise twice and found that my offset is 40mm and 6mm off the centerline. Using the original index cards, I made templates to create the targets.



    I first made a bore sighting target to bore sight the IR laser to get me on paper. This was done by putting two reflectors on each offset POI. The objective is that when you shine both visible and IR lasers on this target, both reflectors will splash back simultaneously. I did this at 12 yards. At this point, I predict the rifle is already within a 25 yard minute of man.




    With the templates, I transferred the offset to commercial targets by marking POIs with sharpie.


    With the the offset POI centers marked, I placed a reflector at the IR laser POI, and put a 2 inch circle on the bore's POI.


    This completes creation of the targets. The last step is to bring these targets to the range at night and shoot them. I simply shine the IR laser on the reflector, and adjust it so that I am grouping on the 2 inch circles.

    Boresighting with lasers does not compensate for ballistics. It is necessary to use these targets at the zero range desired.

    I havent decided whether to zero at 25, 50 or 100 meters.

    EDIT: I’ve settled on a 19.5 yard / 270 yard zero for my red dot and laser. This represents the P battle sight setting on the AK. And 19.5 to 270 yard zero.
    Last edited by MarikinaMan; 10-17-2020, 9:40 AM.
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    FeuerFrei
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2008
    • 7455

    I like the idea of using NODs and the things that can be done with them. Sneak and peek etc.
    (nice zero explanation btw)

    Question; How are you hiding your muzzle flash from the "bad guys" when firing your AK? Usually a can is involved in hiding the flash from everybody so you don't give away positions.
    Planning on using a KX3 type muzzle fob?

    It's nighttime gunfight SOP to fire at the flash, so...

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    • #3
      MarikinaMan
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 4864

      Originally posted by FeuerFrei
      I like the idea of using NODs and the things that can be done with them. Sneak and peek etc.
      (nice zero explanation btw)

      Question; How are you hiding your muzzle flash from the "bad guys" when firing your AK? Usually a can is involved in hiding the flash from everybody so you don't give away positions.
      Planning on using a KX3 type muzzle fob?

      It's nighttime gunfight SOP to fire at the flash, so...
      We can’t in CA. I have a brake that is known to have some “properties” .

      I’ll address it if possible down the road.

      I’m focused on getting thus rifle zero and doing some drills to get a feel for how it is to fight with it and goggles.
      Last edited by MarikinaMan; 10-17-2020, 9:46 AM.

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      • #4
        FeuerFrei
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2008
        • 7455

        CA edicts forbid cans etc, so there are other ways to minimize flash and I'm assuming this is NOT for range monkey use and is intended for more serious work. Have you considered that prior to purchase? NOD gated tech is better now, but the flashy thing is a bullet magnet.

        I do a couple of trips a year to NV and shoot AFT toys my friends own and the NOD use gets discussed/used when possible so the whole "seeing without being seen" has a certain cool factor associated with it.

        The AK is a great signaling device at night regardless of muzzle fob, but a can really knocks out the flash. The other thing is the ammo. The powder is inherently flashy.

        IIRC the KX type is a no no here in the stalag state I was just wondering what the plan is.
        The KX type increases dwell and makes an already gassy rifle more gassy as does a can so an adjustable gas system might be in order.

        If you have a plan and would rather not say on a public forum then I say "Well done and carry on.".

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        • #5
          The War Wagon
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Apr 2011
          • 10294

          Originally posted by MarikinaMan
          IR Laser Rifle Parellel Zero Process (when no slaved vis laser)



          I AM glad I clicked on the link... because I had NO IDEA what it was, from this bad hand of Scrabble...
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          • #6
            MarikinaMan
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 4864

            Originally posted by FeuerFrei
            CA edicts forbid cans etc, so there are other ways to minimize flash and I'm assuming this is NOT for range monkey use and is intended for more serious work. Have you considered that prior to purchase? NOD gated tech is better now, but the flashy thing is a bullet magnet.

            I do a couple of trips a year to NV and shoot AFT toys my friends own and the NOD use gets discussed/used when possible so the whole "seeing without being seen" has a certain cool factor associated with it.

            The AK is a great signaling device at night regardless of muzzle fob, but a can really knocks out the flash. The other thing is the ammo. The powder is inherently flashy.

            IIRC the KX type is a no no here in the stalag state I was just wondering what the plan is.
            The KX type increases dwell and makes an already gassy rifle more gassy as does a can so an adjustable gas system might be in order.

            If you have a plan and would rather not say on a public forum then I say "Well done and carry on.".
            There are great flash hiders for the AK out there, like the Circle 10 unit.

            Fortunately, one can change a flash hider by hand on these rifles, when needed.

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            • #7
              MarikinaMan
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 4864

              A short update. After the initial boresight, I decided to do it again, this time tweaking the goggles with the pin hole cap, and reducing the gain, so that I can see the lasers as pin points instead of large flashbacks.

              The attempt was successful. It's hard to capture on camera, but the oval shape of the flashback on this pic shows I have both lasers flashing back from the two reflectors. When I move the laser left and move them back, they will flash back at the same time. Same for elevation.

              I am fairly confident I have windage set up right. When I get to the range, I feel I only need to adjust elevation for a proper zero. The bore sight distance right now is like 10-12 yards. I will be zeroing at 19.5 yards for a proper 25-270ish meter zero.

              Last edited by MarikinaMan; 10-26-2020, 10:00 AM.

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