Keep our firearms; Too much civil war talk on internet?

[ScottsBad]

Recently, I've noticed that the discussions of self defense, and prepping have begun to morph into discussions of civil war and militias on the internet. I think that talk may be self defeating. (CalGuns forum members have been good about not letting it go too far.)

Do you think its going to far?

Look, I'm a firearms enthusiast. Sure I'm concerned about self defense, but my main interest is target shooting, hunting, and I really have an interest in how gun work, and doing some gun-smithing (I like the mechanical aspects).

That said, I want to keep my firearms and I want to pass them on to my kids and their kids. Its one of the most American things someone can do IMHO.

But I'm worried.

While I'm guilty of discussing what to do in fantasy or hypothetical situations, (Mainly to evaluate my own prepping by rethinking it) I saw a video this morning that disturbed me, and made me think that discussing civil war as an inevitable reality could precipitate the loss of our 2A rights.

The video was put out by a guy who I started watching because of his discussion of prepping and firearms, but the channel has become a discussion of militias and civil war as (EDIT) almost inevitable. I don't have anything against the guy, but maybe the discussion is just going too far for me.

I realized that it seems to be going beyond a 'what if' scenario. So, I left him this feedback:

"Dude, I don't think that continuous discussions about civil war are helpful to the conservative cause.

It makes sense for individuals to prep with food, water, self defense, in the unlikely event that there is civil unrest. But discussions about civil war could give unhinged people the idea that there is a need to make enemies of people who don't agree with conservatives.

There should be concern about the direction of our Country, but we are a long way from bypassing legal democratic change for some sort of extra constitutional change. I think you need to stand down from the discussion of civil war and bring it back to preparations for keeping yourself, family, and loved ones safe if there are disruptions.

Take this advice knowing that my intention is that we find the best way through this difficult time in history."

[sfvshooter]

From what I can tell, the "civil war" talk has been coming from one side. Maybe there are some nutjobs on the left as well, it's predominantly coming from the right. These people seem to be ruled by fear. They're going to take your guns away. They're going to take your jobs. They're going to rape your daughters.

Until 2016, I thought our country was making progress, but it seems as if more than ever we've fallen into an us/them mentality. I hope cooler heads will prevail, but when one side is trying so hard to stoke fears into people, I wouldn't be surprised if the country fractures and the U.S. becomes a third world country.

[mikeyr]

3/4's of the people talking that stuff, will cower in a corner when it happens.

Its just bluster and all talk.

[MarikinaMan]

I’ve been through revolutions. And coups.

I haven’t seen wide spread organization on the right. Yes, there are people who are worried about disarming by law, and a depressed economy via the Green New Deal for one, however, no major organization on the right is wanting to take over government and changing society as we know it.

That’s very different on the left. There is a lot of talk of defunding the police, destruction of property, “taking out the president” and more recently the murder of Trump supporters.

I’m no warrior. I am worried about civil disturbance. Though short lived, it was long enough for BLM to trash the businesses in my neighborhood. The pharmacy and dispensary looters were highly organized criminal gangs involving multiple cars and crews. I would not discount bad personalities from taking advantage if the same situation came about and start targeting homes. We saw it recently in Milwaukee.

[homelessdude]

It's the internet. NUF SAID.

[Dirk Tungsten]

From what I can tell, the "civil war" talk has been coming from one side. Maybe there are some nutjobs on the left as well, it's predominantly coming from the right. These people seem to be ruled by fear. They're going to take your guns away. They're going to take your jobs. They're going to rape your daughters.

Until 2016, I thought our country was making progress, but it seems as if more than ever we've fallen into an us/them mentality. I hope cooler heads will prevail, but when one side is trying so hard to stoke fears into people, I wouldn't be surprised if the country fractures and the U.S. becomes a third world country.

Maybe? Were you born yesterday? The insanity and vitriol from the left that I've seen on the internet, frankly, eclipses that from the right, and by a wide margin.

[1911RONIN]

Keep our firearms; Too much civil war talk on internet?

1. It won't be a civil war. For those who are committed to the founding, it will be little more than a long weekend.

2. The Left is openly talking about:
a) defunding law enforcement
b) court packing
c) imprisoning/killing the opposition
d) criminalizing speech
e) making D.C. And Puerto Rico new states with new senators/reps consequent.
F) the green new deal with massive wealth distribution.
g) universal health care with all the government controls consequent to it
h) criminalizing gun ownership

3. The Left owns:
a) the media in general
b) education
c) big tech
d) social media
e) entertainment

What part of this suggests that we can settle matters democratically? OP, You need to wake the h e l l up.


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[1911RONIN]

Keep our firearms; Too much civil war talk on internet?

Recently, I've noticed that the discussions of self defense, and prepping have begun to morph into discussions of civil war and militias on the internet. I think that talk may be self defeating. (CalGuns forum members have been good about not letting it go too far.)

Do you think its going to far?

Look, I'm a firearms enthusiast. Sure I'm concerned about self defense, but my main interest is target shooting, hunting, and I really have an interest in how gun work, and doing some gun-smithing (I like the mechanical aspects).

That said, I want to keep my firearms and I want to pass them on to my kids and their kids. Its one of the most American things someone can do IMHO.

But I'm worried.

While I'm guilty of discussing what to do in fantasy or hypothetical situations, (Mainly to evaluate my own prepping by rethinking it) I saw a video this morning that disturbed me, and made me think that discussing civil war as an inevitable reality could precipitate the loss of our 2A rights.

The video was put out by a guy who I started watching because of his discussion of prepping and firearms, but the channel has become a discussion of militias and civil war as a possibility. I don't have anything against the guy, but maybe the discussion is just going too far for me.

I realized that it seems to be going beyond a 'what if' scenario. So, I left him this feedback:

"Dude, I don't think that continuous discussions about civil war are helpful to the conservative cause.

It makes sense for individuals to prep with food, water, self defense, in the unlikely event that there is civil unrest. But discussions about civil war could give unhinged people the idea that there is a need to make enemies of people who don't agree with conservatives.

There should be concern about the direction of our Country, but we are a long way from bypassing legal democratic change for some sort of extra constitutional change. I think you need to stand down from the discussion of civil war and bring it back to preparations for keeping yourself, family, and loved ones safe if there are disruptions.

Take this advice knowing that my intention is that we find the best way through this difficult time in history."

I'm not advocating civil war, but you are being naive. See my other post. Western Civilization is in its 11th hour, as it were. We are in the endgame now. Leaving firearms to your kids won't matter much when everything else has been destroyed.


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[ScottsBad]

From what I can tell, the "civil war" talk has been coming from one side. Maybe there are some nutjobs on the left as well, it's predominantly coming from the right. These people seem to be ruled by fear. They're going to take your guns away. They're going to take your jobs. They're going to rape your daughters.

Until 2016, I thought our country was making progress, but it seems as if more than ever we've fallen into an us/them mentality. I hope cooler heads will prevail, but when one side is trying so hard to stoke fears into people, I wouldn't be surprised if the country fractures and the U.S. becomes a third world country.

Do you think that Keith Obermann talking about having Trump supporting "maggots removed" from society, along with many other statements by the left, has anything to do with conservative Americans getting nervous?

Tim Pool on Keith Olbermann: https://www.buzzsprout.com/164767/58...late?play=true

Statements like Spike Lee, and Robert Reich have made are not helping either. Democrat leaders talk of packing the court, adding new States for political purposes, and attacks on the 2nd Amendment are not helping.

Lets face it, the left is nuts, but conservatives need to resist talking about violence while the left continues to talk about extra constitutional means and mass violence.

I think that there is a reason for people to be alarmed, I'm just saying that it would be better to hold back on the discussions of civil war on the right.

[ScottsBad]

I’ve been through revolutions. And coups.

I haven’t seen wide spread organization on the right. Yes, there are people who are worried about disarming by law, and a depressed economy via the Green New Deal for one, however, no major organization on the right is wanting to take over government and changing society as we know it.

That’s very different on the left. There is a lot of talk of defunding the police, destruction of property, “taking out the president” and more recently the murder of Trump supporters.

I’m no warrior. I am worried about civil disturbance. Though short lived, it was long enough for BLM to trash the businesses in my neighborhood. The pharmacy and dispensary looters were highly organized criminal gangs involving multiple cars and crews. I would not discount bad personalities from taking advantage if the same situation came about and start targeting homes. We saw it recently in Milwaukee.

Yes, they started smashing windows in private homes the other day. That is an escalation.

I'm just saying we should talk about restoring law and order, NOT civil war.

[musick]

Weve gone from rock throwing to molotovs, from government buildings razed to privately owned businesses, from fist fights to ending human lives. What is concerning is so many dismiss the far left and fail to recognize they are organized. This is not a grassroots movement, this is being funded and coordinated by individuals sympathetic to what the far left is doing.

[musick]

I'm just saying we should talk about restoring law and order...

How can that be an honest conversation without first addressing the stand down by those paid to maintain law and order?

[SonofWWIIDI]

[elk hunter]

From what I can tell, the "civil war" talk has been coming from one side. Maybe there are some nutjobs on the left as well, it's predominantly coming from the right. These people seem to be ruled by fear. They're going to take your guns away. They're going to take your jobs. They're going to rape your daughters.

Until 2016, I thought our country was making progress, but it seems as if more than ever we've fallen into an us/them mentality. I hope cooler heads will prevail, but when one side is trying so hard to stoke fears into people, I wouldn't be surprised if the country fractures and the U.S. becomes a third world country.

Your "NUTS".

[plumbum]

Sometimes if all you are capable of understanding actions in the manner of a hammer, then you’ll only see the issues in front of you as nails.