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  • #31
    CzGunGuy
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2018
    • 13

    Originally posted by elSquid
    I tend to limit what I use to 105mm and less.

    — Michael
    Your missing out, 155mm is great for anti Personnel use and demolition.

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    • #32
      200Apples
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      • Dec 2011
      • 7217

      The perfect caliber for home defense is some type of self-defense-when-using-a-firearm insurance to cover the cost of your legal defense, like USCCA or CCW Safe. NRA no longer offers Carry Guard.

      Because the dead, once-violent felon that broke into our home and threatened us with grave bodily injury or death will be the least of our problems.
      .
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      • #33
        SomeGuy75
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 1405

        I’ve got an AR-9 with a 50 round drum all ready to go. Along with many other .45 handguns and shotguns.

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        • #34
          elSquid
          In Memoriam
          • Aug 2007
          • 11844

          Originally posted by CzGunGuy
          Your missing out, 155mm is great for anti Personnel use and demolition.

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          • #35
            choprzrul
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2009
            • 6544

            3" slugs or 405gr out of the 45-70. If the attacker(s) are wearing body armor.....they will wish they weren't about 2 seconds after absorbing the first round

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            • #36
              RickD427
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              • Jan 2007
              • 9264

              In looking over the previous postings, I'd agree that the .50 BMG and 105mm are definitely too big for effective home defense usage. You'd never get the 105mm on target quickly enough and the rounds gotta be really expensive. Plus I doubt that you could get the required DD permit.

              Handguns generally are on the really minimally effective side. They're easy to carry, but when LEO's have enough time to prepare for an engagement, they're gonna go for a shotgun or rifle. There's good reason for that.

              The 5.56/.223 is a very effective anti-personnel round at foreseeable home defense ranges. So is the shotgun. But also as previous posters have very correctly pointed out, shot placement beats all.

              My preference for close-in distances is the shotgun. When loaded with #4 Buck, you can put 24 holes in your target with a single pull of the trigger and you have relatively little chance of overpenetration and/or of your pellets being dangerous at long distances downrange.

              As distances increase, the favor shifts to carbines and rifles. The 5.56/.223 has little risk of overpentration. My agency did a test before authorizing the AR-15 for increased deployment. We found that the .223 round was actually less likely to penetrate a residential wall than was our issued 9mm ammunition. The .223 was substantially faster, but only 1/3 the weight. The drawback is that the round can travel a long distance if nothing interrupts its flight.

              There really isn't much need to go to anything larger at home-defense distances. There is good argument to be made for .30 caliber (.308 being the most common, 6.5 Creedmoor gaining popularity) at longer ranges, but then you're getting out of the home defense realm.
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              • #37
                plumbum
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2010
                • 5394

                Never use a projectile that is larger in diameter than the offender...
                Originally posted by ysr_racer
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                • #38
                  k1dude
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • May 2009
                  • 14564

                  frangible .223
                  "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                  "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                  • #39
                    ARFAN
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 751

                    RPG 7..cheap and effect

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                    • #40
                      RickD427
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                      • Jan 2007
                      • 9264

                      Originally posted by ARFAN
                      RPG 7..cheap and effect
                      Bad choice, can't get the DD permit. Besides, there would be too much collateral damage and it needs about 15-20 feet to arm. Most defensive shootings are at closer ranges.

                      Stick with the shotgun.
                      If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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                      • #41
                        Madpyro
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 1368

                        Would my 1lb cannon, or 460 BFR be considered over kill?
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                        • #42
                          M76
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 5954

                          AR15 in .458 SOCOM



                          I don't have one, but I know a guy...12 Gauge w/ 00 buck and G30 for me
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                          • #43
                            homelessdude
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                            • Aug 2013
                            • 2091

                            A good quality 9mm with 15-17 in the magazine and a 12 gauge with 00 buck has worked well for many.

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                            • #44
                              RedFord150
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 5665

                              Originally posted by RickD427
                              ...Handguns generally are on the really minimally effective side. They're easy to carry, but when LEO's have enough time to prepare for an engagement, they're gonna go for a shotgun or rifle. There's good reason for that.....
                              I agree with you on this. The only issue I have with a long gun is accessibility. My nightstand safe just wont take anything bigger than an HG with a 4" barrel and my wife hates it when I leave my Mossberg 12 gauge pump laying around.

                              That said, what HG caliber do you recommend? I own a couple of .357 mag revolvers, but I tend to load them with .38 +P JHP's. I was always worried the .357 mag would be ripping through walls.

                              I also own .45 ACP and 9mm. I just prefer the revolver for its' simplicity.

                              I am guessing your Dept. spends a lot of time researching this subject.

                              Any advice is appreciated.
                              God Did Not Create All Men Equal, Colonel Colt Did.

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                              • #45
                                ar15barrels
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                                • Jan 2006
                                • 57099

                                Originally posted by Starslinger
                                What would you say is the most powerful caliber round for suburban or semi-rural home defense, without the round being so powerful it puts the entire neighborhood at risk?
                                What do others think?
                                I stick with 40mm shells in the house now.
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