80% Arms Glock frame

[Quiet]

sarcasm , simply all of the 80% pistols I have seen have the same plate imbedded in them that Glocks do , I think that 3 1/2 oz is for ars could be wrong on that

Penal Code 29180
(b) Commencing July 1, 2018, prior to manufacturing or assembling a firearm, a person manufacturing or assembling the firearm shall do all of the following:
(1) Apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other mark of identification pursuant to Section 29182.
(2)(A) Within 10 days of manufacturing or assembling a firearm in accordance with paragraph (1), the unique serial number or other mark of identification provided by the department shall be engraved or permanently affixed to the firearm in a manner that meets or exceeds the requirements imposed on licensed importers and licensed manufacturers of firearms pursuant to subsection (i) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(B) If the firearm is manufactured or assembled from polymer plastic, 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel shall be embedded within the plastic upon fabrication or construction with the unique serial number engraved or otherwise permanently affixed in a manner that meets or exceeds the requirements imposed on licensed importers and licensed manufacturers of firearms pursuant to subsection (i) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(3) After the serial number provided by the department is engraved or otherwise permanently affixed to the firearm, the person shall notify the department of that fact in a manner and within a time period specified by the department, and with sufficient information to identify the owner of the firearm, the unique serial number or mark of identification provided by the department, and the firearm in a manner prescribed by the department.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Divison 5 Chapter 41 Article 6 Section 5519
A firearm manufactured or assembled from polymer plastic on or after July 1, 2018, shall contain its unique serial number on 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel. This stainless steel piece shall be embedded within the plastic receiver or frame upon the firearm's manufacture or assembly.

[jerryg1776]

They all do. Turn it over and look at the area in front of the trigger.

Why does it say 6mm BB on it. Thsts surely not a firearm, is it?

[ohsmily]

The law trying to get passed now looks like it will effect relaoding as well. The proposal brings up .manufacturing and ammunition in the same sentence as manufacturing a firearm.

Please cite the code section to which you are referring which you believe affects or has the potential to affect private reloaders.

[Prepped and ready]

Please cite the code section to which you are referring which you believe affects or has the potential to affect private reloaders.

This is from the bill being proposed now that will go into effect 2022.

Sorry fo the text, doing this on my phone. Its very vague, but its thhere for interpertation.

A) by inserting ‘‘and any firearm manufacturing machine involved in any knowing violation of section 922(aa),’’ before ‘‘shall be subject’’; and (B) by striking ‘‘firearms or ammunition’’ each place it appears and inserting ‘‘firearms, ammunition, or firearm manufacturing machine’’; and (3) in subsection (d)(2)— (A) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘firearms or ammunition’’ and inserting ‘‘firearms, ammunition, and firearm manufacturing machines’’; and

[NATO762]

Dude, THAT's NOT EVEN A REAL GLOCK!

Just for reference, 3.7oz is equivalent to 103.6 paperclips. Try jamming that much metal into a Glock frame.

They all do. Turn it over and look at the area in front of the trigger.

That is NOT 3.7 oz of stainless steel....

Why does it say 6mm BB on it. Thsts surely not a firearm, is it?

Jeeze guys, I pulled the first photo that came up on the interwebs just to show the location of the serial number in reply to @ARDudes question.

[ARDude]

Jeeze guys, I pulled the first photo that came up on the interwebs just to show the location of the serial number in reply to @ARDudes question.

I never asked for the location of the serial number.

[NATO762]

I never asked for the location of the serial number.

When you said, "My Glock doesn't have 3.7 oz of steel for serial #. What Glocks do?" I thought you didn't know of the metal embedded in the frame. Was just trying to help. I missed your point that the small embedding piece of metal was not 3.7oz. I'll try and be less helpful next time

[ARDude]

When you said, "My Glock doesn't have 3.7 oz of steel for serial #. What Glocks do?" I thought you didn't know of the metal embedded in the frame. Was just trying to help. I missed your point that the small embedding piece of metal was not 3.7oz. I'll try and be less helpful next time

No problem...being helpful is a good thing. People will jump all over you if you make a statement and miss something or inadvertently say something that is not totally factual.

Believe me, I know...I've been guilty of it too.

[Mac Attack]

80 Percent's website has an update that they are shipping orders to those of you who are waiting on them.

[BigPimping]

You're about to go down a pretty deep rabbit hole there buddy. Very murky waters.

[SVT-40]

If any of you poor guys in ca don't want yours after you receive it let me know I want a FDE.

Looks interesting.

[IE80percenter]

Well, aside from that, there is the single shot thing.

I thought that a 3.7 ounce slab might be machines and permanently attached to the picatinny rail. Like a huge barrel weight...but the single shot manufacturing thing makes it much more complicated.

The 3.7 ounce thing should be challenged in court, it's impossible.

It was purposely written that way to make it impossible to homebuild a polymer frame or receiver because Sacramento knew for most people in california polymer home builds are the only way people would be able to make a gun themselves.

[Mendo223]

FYI.
The current deadline for them to legally operate, as is within CA, is 07-01-2022.

Starting 07-01-2022:
1. It will be illegal to import, make, advertise for sale, or transfer "80% receiver/frame" within CA.
^Exemption to this for CA DOJ licensed vendors and CA FFL dealers.
2. All transfers of "80% receiver/frame" must be done through a CA DOJ licensed vendor or CA FFL dealer.
^Requires a CA DROS submission and purchase authorization approved by CA DOJ.

Does this mean that following 7-1-22 you can DROS an 80% lower that is made by an FFL into a working lower reciever kind of like ARs? I would like to be able to just legally purchase an alternative lower for my stock glocks because i like the grip better on the p90SC. Just have the FFL drill and install trigger LPK, charge 250-300 and let us legal guys dros em FFS...

[Quiet]

Does this mean that following 7-1-22 you can DROS an 80% lower that is made by an FFL into a working lower reciever kind of like ARs? I would like to be able to just legally purchase an alternative lower for my stock glocks because i like the grip better on the p90SC. Just have the FFL drill and install trigger LPK, charge 250-300 and let us legal guys dros em FFS...

Nope.

It means that the company, 80% Arms, can no longer legally operate in CA, unless they are licensed by CA DOJ as a precursor firearm parts vendor or as a CA FFL dealer.
^Also applies to any other company or person that makes "80% receiver/frame" in CA.

It also means that any "80% receiver/frame" can not be imported/transferred in CA, unless it is done through a CA DOJ precursor firearm parts vendor or CA FFL dealer.

The DROS for a precursor firearms part will submit to CA DOJ the following:
1. The date of the transfer.
2. The buyer's info (name, address, phone number, State DL/ID, DOB).
3. The brand, type, and amount of precusor parts being acquired.
4. The vendor's info.

All that info would then be databased for use as metadata.
^Which could be used by CA DOJ BOF to cross reference USNA submissions post 07-01-2022 and determine if the person submitting the USNA illegally acquired the firearm precursor part that they intend to utilize to self-make a firearm.

Submission of the DROS will also initiate the background check for the "80% receiver/frame".
^This should be similar to how the ammo checks are currently done. Won't know for sure, until the CA DOJ regulations are released.

Note that the DROS for a precursor firearm part does not authorize the person acquiring the part to legally self-make a firearm in CA.
That person would still need to submit a USNA to CA DOJ BOF in order to legally be able to self-make a CA legal firearm in CA.

In short, the DROS for a precursor firearm part only allows a person to legally obtain an "80% receiver/frame" in CA.
^It does not allow the "80% receiver/frame" to be utilized to make a firearm, it only allows possession of the "80% receiver/frame".

[Mendo223]

sheesh what a crock of sh1t....they are going so far that its not even their intended mission of simply ensuring prohibited people who cannot pass BGC can obtain, now its even legal gun owners cannot even obtain a substitute lower...

I was watching glock videos and really want an upgrade over my gen3 frames, short of sending it in to get the trigger gaurd area shaved down to allow the hand indentations...