Questiins about mag ruling

[Deelayed]

How is it that when government "decides" to ban an "item " like high capacity magazines, it happens swiftly and with out delay . but when the courts throw out the ban , the law makers get to "stay " the order keeping the ban effective until whenever the court decides to honor the ruling that threw the ban out ?
And what would the magazine ban ending (god willing and the creek doesn't rise) what does that mean for fixed magazine requirements? So in theroy I could have a 30 round "fixed " mag ?
Or a more savory option of a 60 round "fixed"drum .? Would a 60 round MEAN loader even be possible ? Lol.

[nate76239]

This thread answers some of your question, another reason to go featureless instead of fixed magazine

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=24672326#post24672326

[speedrrracer]

How is it that when government "decides" to ban an "item " like high capacity magazines, it happens swiftly and with out delay . but when the courts throw out the ban , the law makers get to "stay " the order keeping the ban effective until whenever the court decides to honor the ruling that threw the ban out ?

Not true. If a law gets passed banning something, you can immediately appeal to the judicial system, and if you can show the law is causing you irreparable harm, you can get an injunction against the brand-new law.

You can then sue the government while the injunction is in place, and if you win, then the law goes away, and government has to do all the appealing.

[RANGER295]

I cannot answer all of your questions but I do have an answer to one very important question which nate eluded to and I assume this answer is in his link...

You CANNOT run a 30 round magazine in a fixed magazine rifle unless it is a RAW. The assault weapons law is a different law that defines a semi auto with a fixed magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds to be an AW. Nothing in this ruling changes that.

Now if you have a BBRAW that still has the BB on it (which supposedly it has to), you can run a 30 rounder in that since A) it is already an AW and B) a BB no longer counts as a fixed mag.

[Jimi Jah]

Court decisions constantly change as does the "interpretation" of the constitution.

"Shall not be infringed" is made far more complicated by the courts than the original writing intended.

[Deelayed]

I cannot answer all of your questions but I do have an answer to one very important question which nate eluded to and I assume this answer is in his link...

You CANNOT run a 30 round magazine in a fixed magazine rifle unless it is a RAW. The assault weapons law is a different law that defines a semi auto with a fixed magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds to be an AW. Nothing in this ruling changes that.

Now if you have a BBRAW that still has the BB on it (which supposedly it has to), you can run a 30 rounder in that since A) it is already an AW and B) a BB no longer counts as a fixed mag.

Thank you . so I am assuming that the stay on the ammo purchase requirements aling with this stay on magazine capacity will take years to reverse . realistically by the time these reversals take place there will be a half dozen NEW restrictions that are slightly different but still restrict. .
I guess what im getting at is should I be excited that change is coming or just double down and trade a kidney for more reloading supplies .?

[BrassCase]

The reversal of the mag ban is in process and when we get a final ruling other bans may fall as well. The mag ban can next go to the 9th en banc or possibly to SOCTUS. It may take another year.

[edgerly779]

Same reason you can get married in a few minutes but divorce takes a while.

[Deelayed]

Same reason you can get married in a few minutes but divorce takes a while.

Thanks for that . its all crystal clear now . lol.

[Deelayed]

Same reason you can get married in a few minutes but divorce takes a while.

The reversal of the mag ban is in process and when we get a final ruling other bans may fall as well. The mag ban can next go to the 9th en banc or possibly to SOCTUS. It may take another year.

Where at on the judicial ladder of yes -no - yes - no end ? Appeal -stay-appeal -stay . where does it end ? Final answer /final word /dont like it ? Too bad deal with it outcome .?

[ZombieLivesMatter]

To reiterate what others have said, fixed mag has nothing to do with the standard and high capacity mag rulings, fixed mag has to run at most 10-round mags regardless whether you have legally owned standard or high capacity mags or not and none of the discussed magazine laws change that.
Featureless on the other hand can run normal mag releases and any size magazines.

[Deelayed]

To reiterate what others have said, fixed mag has nothing to do with the standard and high capacity mag rulings, fixed mag has to run at most 10-round mags regardless whether you have legally owned standard or high capacity mags or not and none of the discussed magazine laws change that.
Featureless on the other hand can run normal mag releases and any size magazines.

I was under the impression that 10 round was the limit for ALL magazines regardless of features. Not including the registered AW. . because I have tried to purchase a higher cap. mag just to see what would happen and it was not happening . I didnt see an option to state that the firearm was featureless therefore allowing the purchase to continue. All i could see was a sentence in dark red letters that read, " NO. " (generally speaking)

[ZombieLivesMatter]

I was under the impression that 10 round was the limit for ALL magazines regardless of features. Not including the registered AW. . because I have tried to purchase a higher cap. mag just to see what would happen and it was not happening . I didnt see an option to state that the firearm was featureless therefore allowing the purchase to continue. All i could see was a sentence in dark red letters that read, " NO. " (generally speaking)

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

[Deelayed]

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

Once again my ignorance has been dissolved via CG. Thank you . I truly hope that someday a responsible firearm owner in the state of California can legally purchasecand own a firearm they way it was manufactured. And not have to check and recheck cross reference and recheck then purchase with double background check then within a year check again to make sure a new law hasnt been passed making it a crime to own the firearm you checked out and bought.

[The War Wagon]

How is it that when government "decides" to ban an "item " like high capacity magazines, it happens swiftly and with out delay . but when the courts throw out the ban , the law makers get to "stay " the order keeping the ban effective until whenever the court decides to honor the ruling that threw the ban out ?

Because YOU'RE a "peon," and they are NOT.