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  • Lexicon Devil
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 721

    Bullet Setback

    Is this a normal thing? I know I shouldn't be firing a bullet that has been seated farther into the case than it should, but is there a way to fix it? Before bed, I put my 1911 in condition 1, and after a while bullets start to set back.
    Originally posted by backup
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  • #2
    NapalmCheese
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2011
    • 5954

    Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
    Is this a normal thing? I know I shouldn't be firing a bullet that has been seated farther into the case than it should, but is there a way to fix it? Before bed, I put my 1911 in condition 1, and after a while bullets start to set back.
    Is there a way to fix it?

    Kinetic puller, seating dies, properly adjusted crimp die.
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    • #3
      d33pt
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1635

      Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
      Is this a normal thing? I know I shouldn't be firing a bullet that has been seated farther into the case than it should, but is there a way to fix it? Before bed, I put my 1911 in condition 1, and after a while bullets start to set back.
      Just rotate out your first round every week. That's only 50ish rounds a year.

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      • #4
        DDM4556
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Jun 2014
        • 2601

        Who uses a beautiful 1911 for home defense? That’s what they make disposable plastic guns for.

        Just rotate rounds.
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        • #5
          jben
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Oct 2008
          • 2027

          Leave your 1911 loaded, cocked and locked like JMB intended.

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          • #6
            pacrat
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2014
            • 10285

            Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
            [1]... Is this a normal thing?
            [2]... I know I shouldn't be firing a bullet that has been seated farther into the case than it should,
            [3]... but is there a way to fix it?
            [4]... Before bed, I put my 1911 in condition 1, and after a while bullets start to set back.
            [1]... Pretty much.

            [2]... Now that depends on the cartridge your 1911 is chambered for. [didn't say] 45acp is by modern standards a very low pressure round. 21k psi. for +P. So firing setback bullets aren't a big issue. In a design also chambered for 10mmAuto, which is a 37.5k psi round.

            ETA....in a 9 or 10mm pistol likely not a good idea.

            [3][4]... Do you mean fixing rounds already setback? Or fixing the circumstances that cause the setback?

            Fixing setback rounds was covered by NapalmCheese in post 2.

            Fixing the circumstances causing setback. Is easily done by changing your loading process. Drop a round in chamber, close slide, insert mag NO MORE SETBACK.

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            • #7
              hambam105
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2013
              • 7083

              And the OP is reloading plated bullets, right?

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              • #8
                Lexicon Devil
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 721

                Originally posted by jben
                Leave your 1911 loaded, cocked and locked like JMB intended.
                See, I would do that, but I have little nephews who come over the house quite often. I usually unload and lock everything away juuuuuuuust in case. Once they leave, it comes back out. Someone said to rotate rounds, and that sounds like a good idea
                Originally posted by backup
                You glitter me, I'm going beat your face in, gay or not.
                "After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military." - William S. Burroughs

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                • #9
                  Lexicon Devil
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 721

                  Originally posted by pacrat
                  Drop a round in chamber, close slide, insert mag NO MORE SETBACK.

                  This is a perfect answer! Thank you. I have no clue why the thought didn't occur to me.
                  Originally posted by backup
                  You glitter me, I'm going beat your face in, gay or not.
                  "After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military." - William S. Burroughs

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                  • #10
                    pacrat
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2014
                    • 10285

                    Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
                    This is a perfect answer! Thank you. I have no clue why the thought didn't occur to me.
                    You're welcome sir.

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                    • #11
                      subscriber
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 929

                      Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
                      This is a perfect answer! Thank you. I have no clue why the thought didn't occur to me.
                      Because it is hard on the extractor: In some cases snapping the hook over the case rim will yield the extractor, so that it loses tension and may result in flaky extraction and ejection. In other cases, the hook may snap off, or eventually fail from fatigue.

                      Unless your 1911 has an external extractor, the original internal design was intended for "controlled feed" from the magazine. Some 1911 pistols will take chamber loading without problems, while other won't.

                      You can try closing the slide on a loaded chamber and see what happens. A clue may be how hard you have to push on the slide to close the action fully. Just dropping the slide provides no idea about how much force is being applied. Once you are happy that nothing extreme is going on, drop the slide from about half closed, rather than from full open. Then insert a loaded mag.

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                      • #12
                        NeilMo
                        Member
                        • Nov 2018
                        • 356

                        This is what I do,

                        With muzzle pointed straight down, ride the slide slowly into battery so the cartridge feeds without slamming the bullet into the ramp or barrel hood.

                        Also, it's a bad idea to let the extractor snap over the rim for a few reasons, especially if you reload and don't know how to use a crimp die properly.

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                        • #13
                          jsigone
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 1211

                          buy crimped HD ammo

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                          • #14
                            slixx1320
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 639

                            Originally posted by subscriber
                            Because it is hard on the extractor: In some cases snapping the hook over the case rim will yield the extractor, so that it loses tension and may result in flaky extraction and ejection. In other cases, the hook may snap off, or eventually fail from fatigue.

                            Unless your 1911 has an external extractor, the original internal design was intended for "controlled feed" from the magazine. Some 1911 pistols will take chamber loading without problems, while other won't.

                            You can try closing the slide on a loaded chamber and see what happens. A clue may be how hard you have to push on the slide to close the action fully. Just dropping the slide provides no idea about how much force is being applied. Once you are happy that nothing extreme is going on, drop the slide from about half closed, rather than from full open. Then insert a loaded mag.
                            Originally posted by NeilMo
                            This is what I do,

                            With muzzle pointed straight down, ride the slide slowly into battery so the cartridge feeds without slamming the bullet into the ramp or barrel hood.

                            Also, it's a bad idea to let the extractor snap over the rim for a few reasons, especially if you reload and don't know how to use a crimp die properly.
                            Well said.. this is the reason I have a glock on my night stand instead. Extractors are easy, cheap and no gunsmith/fitment needed if it wears. Plus if I ever needed to use it, I rather my glock get confiscated for evidence vs my 1911.

                            Originally posted by jsigone
                            buy crimped HD ammo
                            Before I use any of my HD ammo, I run them through a factory crimp die. Haven't had any issues. I've shot the ammo, cycled them multiple times at home and all is well with no set backs.

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                            • #15
                              FeuerFrei
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 7455

                              Use factory HD ammo that has a bullet crimp.
                              Load it and leave alone. Keep it loaded even if it's locked up. Won't hurt a damn thing.

                              Stop loading/unloading all the time. Playing with your gun too much could cause blindness or a ND.
                              Last edited by FeuerFrei; 08-11-2020, 9:13 AM. Reason: derped

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