“Accidental discharge”

[tabascoz28]

With the recent pandemic gun buying craze i foresee a rise in negligent discharges from the stellar gene pool of new gun owners.

Except most of the NDs that I've heard of are from people who have had guns for a long time. I've noticed that at the range, most old timers are the ones not being safe where as new gun owners are overly cautious to be on the safe side asking questions and rechecking that everything is in place. It's all predictable human nature.

[GeeBee49]

The only ND that I know of personally happened to someone who had more years of experience around firearms than anyone I've ever met.

[stormvet]

The only ND that I know of personally happened to someone who had more years of experience around firearms than anyone I've ever met.

Yup complacency is a female dog, seen it myself.

[sfpcservice]

"Hey guys, asking for a friend...."

OP Get a good lawyer.

[IVC]

"Negligent" vs. "Accidental" is a harsh distinction on gun forums because pretty much everything is an ND, even if the gun goes off by itself. Mechanical maintenance is the responsibility of the firearm owner.

In real world, "accident" usually means there is no intent and "negligent" means it is reckless to the point where a reasonable person would consider the action to be irresponsible. A simple mistake is not "negligent" if we use the everyday meaning of the word.

Yes, this guy is going to be in legal trouble, but there was no mens rea so I would still call it "an accident."

[Colt]

[caliberetta]

"Negligent" vs. "Accidental" is a harsh distinction on gun forums because pretty much everything is an ND, even if the gun goes off by itself. Mechanical maintenance is the responsibility of the firearm owner.

In real world, "accident" usually means there is no intent and "negligent" means it is reckless to the point where a reasonable person would consider the action to be irresponsible. A simple mistake is not "negligent" if we use the everyday meaning of the word.

Yes, this guy is going to be in legal trouble, but there was no mens rea so I would still call it "an accident."

^^ I concur with this 100%, and have always believed the same for a long time now. I began noticing these common corrections being made on gun forums several years ago ("nothing is accidental, it is negligence!") ... probably started by an overzealous instructor(s). The result of misplaced frustration I suppose.

You have explained it very well, good job.


With that said, I think some one up there said we'll probably be hearing more about this, and he's probably right, too, in this strange times we are living in.
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[CoopsDad]

Curious- the round cleared two units? Was it crappy construction with no firebreaks? I can't imagine what caliber could do that.

[The War Wagon]

With the recent pandemic gun buying craze i foresee a rise in negligent discharges from the stellar gene pool of new gun owners.

Especially while cleaning Glocks.

[tabascoz28]

My friend had a friend that said he was cleaning and shot his leg. I was not able to interrogate him because he was a little unstable but I bet I would have gotten down to the issue within a few questions. He later died of health problems.

[heidad01]

off topic part of this thread?

Yes,
There is an OFF TOPIC forum here, where many of members offer good advice on just about any question/problem.



"Glock Leg" started with and is a specialty of LEOs. Happens all the time. Worse yet, one instructor shot another LEO while showing him some sort of tacticool move! Not too long ago and I beleive it was in San Diego. Not sure what the outcome was.

Why all the vengeful calls. Civilian or LEO, the guy made a stupid mistake, shooting his own leg or the wall. If no one else was hurt, no need to go legal lynch mob on him. He should definitely pay to fix the dry walls and any other damages, and it should be left at that.

[tabascoz28]

Why all the vengeful calls. Civilian or LEO, the guy made a stupid mistake, shooting his own leg or the wall. If no one else was hurt, no need to go legal lynch mob on him. He should definitely pay to fix the dry walls and any other damages, and it should be left at that.

Because if these people don't get a hard slap on the wrist and a wake up call they can kill someone next time. I don't know what the actual situation is but if I was the neighbor who ended up with a hole in my wall I'd want to know if this person really did make a mistake or if it was a preventable ND. If this person is a drunk who will probably not change his ways or if they are getting help. This will determine if I have to find a new home or install some steel on that side of the house.

[003]

Curious- the round cleared two units? Was it crappy construction with no firebreaks? I can't imagine what caliber could do that.

9mm NATO spec ball ammunition will go thru many sheets of drywall.

[Lowemont]

Did the guy own an XR 15 bullpup? I saw an expert on TV demonstrate how those can slamfire all-the-time...

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[Cup of Cheese]

A round of penicillin will clear up a case of accidental discharge