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  • DavidLassen
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 8

    Did I break an unspoken rule?

    Howdy, I'm a very new member to CalGuns, but I'm not new to the world of internet buying and selling. Most of my experience is in watches however, and I had a weird interaction today from a seller. I'd rather learn from my mistakes than plow ahead with the wrong idea, so I wanted to break down what happened and ask for y'all's advice.

    I posted a [WTB] thread looking for an AK in the LA area. I got a message from an individual that was looking to sell one, so I gave him my number and asked for pictures. He gave me the name/model number and texted me a starting price. The specific AK goes from $600 to $1200 depending on the condition and origins, and his price was on the upper end of that range.

    He sent me two wide shots, both of the same side of the gun and nothing else. I asked a bunch of questions like "Is the barrel chrome lined?", "Is the truneon and receiver stamped or forged", "what year was it made", "what factory produced it". I've never owned an AK, so these questions are based on my google-research and seemed reasonable. He answered very few of them and just said he's the second owner and had no idea about the origin/year.

    I figured, logically, that if he took a picture of serial numbers I could look it up myself (and also confirm that different parts matched up with each other). The seller said wasn't comfortable doing this and advised me to never ask that again in future interactions. I figured what I asked was pretty standard, aren't matching serial numbers a big deal with Soviet firearms? The seller seemed to think that one, wideshot picture should give me everything I need to know, is that really the standard? For watches I get 5 pictures minimum (front, back, both sides, and movement) and I'd expect to be even more thorough with firearms.

    So to my point, did I make a mistake from ignorance, or am I dealing with a shady person? Are serial numbers personal information? Am I going about this incorrectly? Thanks for any and all thoughts.

    Edit* I think I just weirded the seller out with my questions and inexperience on the site. I'm used to a much more robust transaction from my experiences. He's got a great reputation, and has been nothing but polite to me. I think I need to sit down and learn a bit lurking before I speak up.
    Last edited by DavidLassen; 06-10-2020, 1:11 AM.
  • #2
    Garv
    RSG Minion, Senior
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Apr 2014
    • 9029

    Be very careful with WTB ads, we have been getting a larger number of scammers stating they have something.
    If the person responding is not a Calguns member, be very careful and only buy FTF.

    I see your home/work email in your profile.
    Is that how they contacted you?
    That is a common method for scammers.
    A shill account gets your email, then a secondary partner contacts you.

    Check this thread and see if any names match up in recent posts.
    If yes, let us know.


    I am not an AK guy, but it does not sound like anything more than you were trying to determine fair value.

    Some sellers have limited patience as well, not sure what you had.

    Good luck in your hunt.
    Last edited by Garv; 06-09-2020, 9:36 PM.
    Originally posted by Kestryll:
    It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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    • #3
      TKM
      Onward through the fog!
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2002
      • 10657

      It's your hard earned money. You deserve to have your questions answered and to have a chance to verify the answers before you drop big coin on something. Inspection at the very least.

      Don't buy a story when you are trying to buy a gun.

      Consider yourself ahead of the game.
      It's not PTSD, it's nostalgia.

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      • #4
        ENTHUSIAST
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 4440

        Simple questions for any AK enthusiast to answer it sounds like the guy was either trying to rip you off and make a nice profit on the deal or was just a complete newb to AKs and had no idea what he bought and what he was actually offering for sale.

        Either way I would walk away from that guy.

        Oh and it is stamped vs. milled.

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        • #5
          ojisan
          Agent 86
          CGN Contributor
          • Apr 2008
          • 11763

          Serial numbers are considered private, but a concerned seller would just put a piece of tape over the last several digits of the number as sometimes a prefix might be important to help confirm identity.
          A seller who can't provide at least some more information is not a motivated seller and that should be your first red flag.
          Pics of both sides of the gun at a minimum, a few angled and close shots for better info.
          But sounds like a scammer to me.

          Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
          I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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          • #6
            kurac
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 2917

            If that is all that happened, not really, but some people are paranoid about taking pictures with the serial number, which easy to partially block or photoshop.
            www.culinagrips.com
            "custom grips for shooters by shooters"

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            • #7
              NoHeavyHitter
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 2876

              You did nothing wrong. This potential seller raises some red flags, so thank them for their time and just move on..

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              • #8
                Sig so sour of ca
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2016
                • 478

                The fact that he contacted you and is being evasive is a huge red flag. 3 years ago, I'd say he's just not motivated. Lately there have been a plethora of scams on here. It's turning into the new Craigslist.

                Your questions were appropriate. Some people get weird when you ask for serial#s, I do kind of understand that (personally I don't mind showing it, especially when I can't answer questions a buyer is asking).

                Welcome to calguns , you'll meet a lot of great people.

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                • #9
                  Milsurp1
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 3091

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                  • #10
                    Jet Setter
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 5348

                    Sounds like you are going to be avoiding a scammer. Move on and if the "seller" contacts you again, politely decline. Just not worth it when even your most basic questions go unanswered
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                    • #11
                      DavidLassen
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2020
                      • 8

                      Thanks for the info there, I did not realize my email would be public. I've edited that to better reflect my privacy. The seller was quite polite, just evasive.

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                      • #12
                        Garv
                        RSG Minion, Senior
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 9029

                        Originally posted by DavidLassen
                        The seller was quite polite, just evasive.
                        I'd be polite until I have your money, then the ghosting occurs.

                        Good luck again.
                        Originally posted by Kestryll:
                        It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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                        • #13
                          Jeepergeo
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 3506

                          Originally posted by DavidLassen
                          Howdy, I'm a very new member to CalGuns, but I'm not new to the world of internet buying and selling. Most of my experience is in watches however, and I had a weird interaction today from a seller. I'd rather learn from my mistakes than plow ahead with the wrong idea, so I wanted to break down what happened and ask for y'all's advice.

                          I posted a [WTB] thread looking for an AK in the LA area. I got a message from an individual that was looking to sell one, so I gave him my number and asked for pictures. He gave me the name/model number and texted me a starting price. The specific AK goes from $600 to $1200 depending on the condition and origins, and his price was on the upper end of that range.

                          He sent me two wide shots, both of the same side of the gun and nothing else. I asked a bunch of questions like "Is the barrel chrome lined?", "Is the truneon and receiver stamped or forged", "what year was it made", "what factory produced it". I've never owned an AK, so these questions are based on my google-research and seemed reasonable. He answered very few of them and just said he's the second owner and had no idea about the origin/year.

                          I figured, logically, that if he took a picture of serial numbers I could look it up myself (and also confirm that different parts matched up with each other). The seller said wasn't comfortable doing this and advised me to never ask that again in future interactions. I figured what I asked was pretty standard, aren't matching serial numbers a big deal with Soviet firearms? The seller seemed to think that one, wideshot picture should give me everything I need to know, is that really the standard? For watches I get 5 pictures minimum (front, back, both sides, and movement) and I'd expect to be even more thorough with firearms.

                          So to my point, did I make a mistake from ignorance, or am I dealing with a shady person? Are serial numbers personal information? Am I going about this incorrectly? Thanks for any and all thoughts.
                          That's a pretty epic lead in to a question. If you were that laborious with a potential seller, I can see why they might react as the did.
                          Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
                          Life Member, California Rifle and Pistol Association

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                          • #14
                            Thefeeder
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 5007

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                            No answers, no sale.....dancing around questions, no sale.

                            As far as serial #, yea, I can see a seller being uneasy. The way its done is "the serial # is R12345xxM" leaving out the last two digits

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                            • #15
                              Whiskey3
                              Member
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 203

                              So, . . . In the mean time, have you found a strait up FS for an AK ?

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