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  • HerrNuguri
    Member
    • Apr 2020
    • 195

    Is a 250$ .458 SOCOM upper worth it?

    Hi folks, I've been thinking about getting a different caliber upper for my AR-15. .458 SOCOM seems to be an option, but I don't know much about this caliber so I have some questions. 1,) Is it accurate? 2,) Will I need to swap my buffer&spring for this caliber? 3,) Is side-charging upper reliable? I plan to put a scope on the upper, and an upper with a side charger will be easier to work with. 4,) Can this caliber be used for hunting? This is the actual upper I've been looking at, https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/bca...lok-split-rail Does anyone know anything about BCA? The price seems to be okay for a complete upper assembly, considering I should be able to simply swap to this upper and hit the range.
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks!
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30242

    Originally posted by HerrNuguri
    Does anyone know anything about BCA?
    Previous thread on Bear Creek Arsenals
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    • #3
      tabascoz28
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2016
      • 3364

      Left is a Bear Creek, Right PSA
      You can see that the channel is very shallow. I'm going to dremmel it a bit but you get what you pay for. I think my pistol upper was $197 shipped.
      Last edited by tabascoz28; 08-22-2020, 4:45 PM.

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      • #4
        HerrNuguri
        Member
        • Apr 2020
        • 195

        Originally posted by Quiet

        Originally posted by Quiet

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        • #5
          HerrNuguri
          Member
          • Apr 2020
          • 195

          Originally posted by tabascoz28
          Left is a Bear Creek, Right PSA
          You can see that the channel is very shallow. I'm going to dremmel it a bit but you get what you pay for. I think my pistol upper was $197 shipped.
          [ATTACH]897840[/ATTACH]

          Originally posted by tabascoz28
          Left is a Bear Creek, Right PSA
          You can see that the channel is very shallow. I'm going to dremmel it a bit but you get what you pay for. I think my pistol upper was $197 shipped.
          [ATTACH]897840[/ATTACH]

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          • #6
            tabascoz28
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2016
            • 3364

            I have a side charger and if you really think about it it's not worth the price. If it was the same price go for it. I have one, almost never have to side charge. Paid $250 for a billet upper stripped...

            I have a 10.5 and 7.5 in 556, some people say 11.5 is the minimum for useful power. The air force had one that was a 10 with a long half silencer on it, GAU-5/a/a. The guy that sold me his pistol lower gave me a picture of him carrying it. I have a 9mm upper also in 5.5, just wanted to see how short I could get it.

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            • #7
              HerrNuguri
              Member
              • Apr 2020
              • 195

              Originally posted by tabascoz28
              I have a side charger and if you really think about it it's not worth the price. If it was the same price go for it. I have one, almost never have to side charge. Paid $250 for a billet upper stripped...

              I have a 10.5 and 7.5 in 556, some people say 11.5 is the minimum for useful power. The air force had one that was a 10 with a long half silencer on it, GAU-5/a/a. The guy that sold me his pistol lower gave me a picture of him carrying it. I have a 9mm upper also in 5.5, just wanted to see how short I could get it.

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              • #8
                Flintlock Tom
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 3353

                I've built several rifles (and a pistol) on BCA parts, including a complete .450 Bushmaster side-charging upper. I've found the quality to be fine. All work as advertised with the exception of the .450: I've had feeding issues, but I suspect it's a "magazine issue" and not a problem with the upper.
                I have no experience with .458 SOCOM.
                "Everyone must determine for themselves what level of tyranny they are willing to tolerate.
                I let my CA residency expire in 2015."

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                • #9
                  BigPimping
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 21473

                  Spend a little more on a barrel. In the long run, you'll be glad you did.
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                  • #10
                    kcheung2
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 4387

                    Any specific caliber is no more or less accurate than any other caliber. It's the quality of the barrel & ammo that determines precision.

                    There are 3 main qualities for guns: cheap, readily available, and good quality. The conventional wisdom is (at best) one can get 2 of those 3 qualities. Based on your comments, you seem to have a fixation on price. We all consider the price, but many of us also consider value. Most of us have heard of BCA, and yet we stick with other brands or at least go in with a realistic expectation.
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                    • #11
                      hermosabeach
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 19736

                      I purchased a socom before doing research

                      If you will shoot it a lot or hunt, I’d go with tromix

                      Some cut locking mugs so they feed better
                      The bolt will fail over time and will need to be replaced
                      (Not the carrier)

                      The .458 forum is not very active
                      The .458 Facebook is more active

                      The forum has a wealth of knowledge and reloading info.
                      Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                      Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                      Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                      Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                      (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                      • #12
                        Sam .223
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1576

                        I have a low end upper, it has a few issues with chambering the 458, I've tried different ammo and different mags and still has the same issue. I'll be ordering a tromix barrel and bolt to clear this problem up.
                        5.56: reach out and touch someone.
                        458 SOCOM: reach out and knock someone down.

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                        • #13
                          tabascoz28
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2016
                          • 3364

                          Originally posted by HerrNuguri
                          Sounds like you live in a free state (250$ is for the complete upper assembly including bcg and ch, doesn’t seem too bad to me)


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                          First it was a stripped billet, not complete.
                          It's not a free state thing. Anyone can order an upper for anything they want, I happen to have a pistol lower that was registered as a semi pistol, cost a pretty penny (500+dros+ppt so 54,719 pennies) and neutered with a maglock using 10rd mags.

                          But yeah, the BCA upper was complete with BCG and charging handle delivered for under 200.

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                          • #14
                            jager56
                            Member
                            • Aug 2018
                            • 200

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                            • #15
                              M1NM
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 7966

                              458 Socom is a good caliber. Your 30 round 5.56 mags become 10 round Socom ones with a swap of the floorplate stamped 458 Socom.
                              My 16" Tromix upper has worked flawlessly with factory and reloads.

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