Oh no, latest public safety outrage!!!

[SVT-40]

Yeah, the cops pulled a fast one. I have guns from 1950s that function perfectly, as others here probably have. They could have very well just replaced springs, extractors, and other parts.

Shared patrol rifles take a very hard beating. They get swapped in and out of the cars each shift. That means in and out of locking racks two the three times each day, just for shift changes. Over the years that means many many thousands of cycles in and out of racks...

That alone beats up rifles. That doesn't include annual qualifications and or actual patrol use.

I was a LEA armorer. Had many instances of having to replace many parts due to the in and out cycle.

Most agencies now issue each Officer their own rifle, so while on duty it's in their car. While off duty it's stored in the armory. It's a much better practice than sharing rifles, and leads to much less wear and tear. Plus each Officer has their own dedicated optic. A much better situation.

I imagine that.s what Petaluma is doing ordering that many rifles to replace the 16 already in their armory.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Shared patrol rifles take a very hard beating. They get swapped in and out of the cars each shift. That means in and out of locking racks two the three times each day, just for shift changes. Over the years that means many many thousands of cycles in and out of racks...

That alone beats up rifles. That doesn't include annual qualifications and or actual patrol use.

I was a LEA armorer. Had many instances of having to replace many parts due to the in and out cycle.

Most agencies now issue each Officer their own rifle, so while on duty it's in their car. While off duty it's stored in the armory. It's a much better practice than sharing rifles, and leads to much less wear and tear. Plus each Officer has their own dedicated optic. A much better situation.

I imagine that.s what Petaluma is doing ordering that many rifles to replace the 16 already in their armory.

If that's the case, makes sense. What sort of damages are prevalent from shift changes, sights get knocked off, dented barrels?

[Blownmotor]

Shared patrol rifles take a very hard beating. They get swapped in and out of the cars each shift. That means in and out of locking racks two the three times each day, just for shift changes. Over the years that means many many thousands of cycles in and out of racks...

That alone beats up rifles. That doesn't include annual qualifications and or actual patrol use.

I was a LEA armorer. Had many instances of having to replace many parts due to the in and out cycle.

Most agencies now issue each Officer their own rifle, so while on duty it's in their car. While off duty it's stored in the armory. It's a much better practice than sharing rifles, and leads to much less wear and tear. Plus each Officer has their own dedicated optic. A much better situation.

I imagine that.s what Petaluma is doing ordering that many rifles to replace the 16 already in their armory.

If you think that's bad, should see the condition of the cars and equipment inside. I have never in my life seen so much abuse of stuff.

[SVT-40]

If that's the case, makes sense. What sort of damages are prevalent from shift changes, sights get knocked off, dented barrels?

Bent barrels. Broken or bent charging handles. Bent or broken sights. Sling swivels bent. Safety broken.

Magazines stuck in mag well...

Broken hand guards. Broken weapons lights. Broken stocks.

Basically everything. The spaces inside the cars are limited so the rifles have to be locked in a rack. Everything around the place where the rack is is steel. Getting the rifle in and out you have to be very careful as usually they have to be manipulated carefully in order to get them to fit is such a tight spot. Getting the rifle out quickly will cause it to be knocked into everything else nearby.

Both much room in the front of a patrol car.

[SVT-40]

If you think that's bad, should see the condition of the cars and equipment inside. I have never in my life seen so much abuse of stuff.

Yup hard use 24 hours a day. Not much room inside a patrol car, with weapons racks, radio and emergency equipment control racks. Cameras cages separating front from back. Lights. Computers. All encased in steel mounts and racks. Plus each cops individual patrol equipment.

Many cars see 24 hour a day use.

[timberwoofers]

Bent barrels.

Serious question. How does someone bend a barrel pulling a rifle in and out of a vehicle?

Did they put it on the curb and run it over with the MRAP?

[ChuckDizzle]

Serious question. How does someone bend a barrel pulling a rifle in and out of a vehicle?

Did they put it on the curb and run it over with the MRAP?

They don't. He's a copper so he's exaggerating just like the police chief.

It's weird how our military rifles can last 30-40 years of much harder abuse, yet these same rifles can't handle being taken in and out of a car.

My basic training M16A2 in 2001 was a refitted and refurbished M16A1 that was dated by forum members to have been made during the Vietnam war based on the roll mark. We did grass drills with our rifles and bayonet courses. They still worked just fine for hitting the 300m pop up targets.

Later my M4 carbine accompanied me on dozens of jumps and air assaults, some in combat. But I guess three years in Afghanistan and Iraq can't compare to riding around in the mean streets of Petaluma.

I shoot more out of my AR 15's in one range trip than most cop rifles are shot in a year, yet they just keep working.

[timberwoofers]

They don't. He's a copper so he's exaggerating just like the police chief.

It's weird how our military rifles can last 30-40 years of much harder abuse, yet these same rifles can't handle being taken in and out of a car.

My basic training M16A2 in 2001 was a refitted and refurbished M16A1 that was dated by forum members to have been made during the Vietnam war based on the roll mark. We did grass drills with our rifles and bayonet courses. They still worked just fine for hitting the 300m pop up targets.

Later my M4 carbine accompanied me on dozens of jumps and air assaults, some in combat. [B]But I guess three years in Afghanistan and Iraq can't compare to riding around in the mean streets of Petaluma.

I shoot more out of my AR 15's in one range trip than most cop rifles are shot in a year, yet they just keep working.

This made me lol.

Thank you for your service.