Anti 2nd Amendment LEO and Firefighter unions..

[OCEquestrian]

Post your election flyers here....lets see who is endorsing / supporting democrats who are destroying the 2nd Amendment and the Rule of Law in California by helping to put them in office! Its time to hold people accountable for the actions taken in their name! This flyer is a PRIME example of how the firefighter/LEO unions take the trust we all place in them for our collective public safety and then use that trust to help the democrats destroy the RTKBA and Rule of Law in this state!!!

Democrat Katrina Foley has called for an END to gunshows at the OC Fairgrounds

https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2019-08-09/area-state-senate-candidate-calls-for-end-to-gun-shows-at-o-c-fairgrounds

Democrat for Sate Senate Katrina Foley is endorsed / supported by;

California Professional Firefighters
Orange County Professional Firefighters
Newport Beach Firefighters Association
Huntington Beach Firefighters association
Peace Officers Research association of California (PORAC)
California Association of Highway Patrolmen
Costa Mesa Police Association
Huntington Beach Police officers Association
Costa Mesa Firefighters Association


If you know anyone who is a member of one of those unions/associations tell them what you think and that you are shocked that they support the anti Law and Order , anti 2nd Amendment democrats!!!!

[walterSOBCHAK]

Dont all the unions support liberal BS?

[ACfixer]

Pretty much anything "firefighters support" I am against anyway so I can appreciate the heads up. What they generally support is taking more money out of my pocket.

[Duck Killer]

Firefighters might be conservative in their daily lives but don't blink an eye to screw us over politically to get more for themselves. Vote no on everything they support.

[1G75]

Public Service union woes..

Don't draw any conclusions simply by looking at a blank badge graphic....


Can't help but noticed that the CMPD brass name was classified as RETIRED!?

Besides, administrators could hardly speak for the first responders/ line guys on the street who breath and touch the toxins in your worst nightmare

[OCEquestrian]

Don't draw any conclusions simply by looking at a blank badge graphic....


Can't help but noticed that the CMPD brass name was classified as RETIRED!?

Besides, administrators could hardly speak for the first responders/ line guys on the street who breath and touch the toxins in your worst nightmare

You didnt notice the list of unions/ associations that have endorsed this criminal loving gun grabber? THAT is the rank and file / line guys speaking...

California Professional Firefighters
Orange County Professional Firefighters
Newport Beach Firefighters Association
Huntington Beach Firefighters association
Peace Officers Research association of California (PORAC)
California Association of Highway Patrolmen
Costa Mesa Police Association
Huntington Beach Police officers Association
Costa Mesa Firefighters Association

[OlderThanDirt]

The simple truth is that police and firefighter unions need to elect Democrats that are willing to raise taxes to keep their pensions solvent. The unions negotiated good pay and benefit packages that the politicians never bothered to properly fund, instead deferring making contributions to avoid budget cuts in other services. A majority of cities and counties in California now face making substantial cuts in all other services just to meet the minimum contributions to keep the pension systems solvent.

So if you were a FF or LEO (retired or substantially invested in your retirement) how would you like your union to vote, especially if you have already retired to a free state?

[vintagearms]

The simple truth is that police and firefighter unions need to elect Democrats that are willing to raise taxes to keep their pensions solvent. The unions negotiated good pay and benefit packages that the politicians never bothered to properly fund, instead deferring making contributions to avoid budget cuts in other services. A majority of cities and counties in California now face making substantial cuts in all other services just to meet the minimum contributions to keep the pension systems solvent.

So if you were a FF or LEO (retired or substantially invested in your retirement) how would you like your union to vote, especially if you have already retired to a free state?

Vote for the rule of law, or are u ok with bribery?

[OCEquestrian]

The simple truth is that police and firefighter unions need to elect Democrats that are willing to raise taxes to keep their pensions solvent. The unions negotiated good pay and benefit packages that the politicians never bothered to properly fund, instead deferring making contributions to avoid budget cuts in other services. A majority of cities and counties in California now face making substantial cuts in all other services just to meet the minimum contributions to keep the pension systems solvent.

So if you were a FF or LEO (retired or substantially invested in your retirement) how would you like your union to vote, especially if you have already retired to a free state?

If it was me, I'd want my union to support politicians that support law and order, oppose sanctuary cities, oppose letting dangerous criminals out of prison early to prey on citizens and endanger me and my fellow officers which is exactly what the democrats are doing,

Democrat supported/passed laws, propositions and policies are endangering officers and the general puclic and have cost officers their lives. It's only getting worse. If you ask the NYPD unions, the democrats have declared war on the police. The majority of LEO unions,associations as well as sheriff's and chiefs in Virfina agree as well. Here in California....crickets.

At some point the LEO KIA/WIA will get high enough that the rank and file will demand and get a change. It will be interesting to see what that number is. In the mean time it's clear that all the innocent and needless civilian victims don't entire into the equation.

[SVT-40]

If it was me, I'd want my union to support politicians that support law and order, oppose sanctuary cities, oppose letting dangerous criminals out of prison early to prey on citizens and endanger me and my fellow officers which is exactly what the democrats are doing,

Name one single politician who supports those ideas who has been elected into office in CA recently?

The sad reality is in CA over 60% of the voters don't want any of the above...

Even when LEO Association oppose bills which let criminals out early from jail and prison, and oppose sanctuary for illegal aliens the bills still pass.

CA is not the place where a conservative can get elected.

In the mean time it's clear that all the innocent and needless civilian victims don't entire into the equation.

Those "innocent" civilians are the people who are electing the progressive politicians.

Face it. Conservatives don't matter in CA.

There is nothing you, or any LEO group can do to stop it.

CA is lost, gone never to be conservative ever again.

[eviioiive]

I didn’t see the anti 2nd part where was that?

[SVT-40]

This flyer is a PRIME example of how the firefighter/LEO unions take the trust we all place in them for our collective public safety and then use that trust to help the democrats destroy the RTKBA and Rule of Law in this state!!!

You are conflating very different issues, and ignoring the actual reason firefighter/LEO Associations exist.

Firefighter/LEO Associations exist to support their membership for better wages, benefits and working conditions for their members..

Firefighter/ LEO associations are labor representation groups.

Individual LEO's and firefighters will always do what they can to protect people. Including giving up their lives to protect you.

As for the "RTKBA" in CA... See below.

These Associations don't exist to support other political issues.

Just like the NRA exists to support gun owners. Not to advocate for wages, benefits and working conditions for firefighters /LEO's.

You forget firefighters/LEO's live and work in CA, so they have to live and deal with all the same issues and conditions as any other CA resident.


As I said in my other post here. Over 60% of the voters in CA want restrictive gun laws and want leniency on criminals.

No matter what any firefighter/LEO Association does those facts won't change.

In recent previous elections ALL CA LEO Associations came out strongly against early release of criminals from prison and all the other criminal coddling measures. Those measures all still passed.

The real issue is the ultra liberal / progressive voting monopoly in CA.

Here is a prime example... The 2019 San Francisco DA's election. The local SF Police Association and other LE groups spent $650,000 to try and defeat the son of terrorists...

Guess what the terrorist's kid won...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/16/son-of-jailed-radicals-reviled-by-the-police-union-now-chesa-boudin-is-san-franciscos-top-cop

Stop blaming LEO's and recognize who your true enemy is...

The enemy is your fellow CA residents. Specifically your friends, relatives, neighbors and coworkers. They are the voters who vote on all these issues.

The firefighters and LEO's are just trying to survive as best they can just like anyone else in CA.

The sooner you recognize that CA is lost the better...

[pacrat]

These Associations don't exist to support other political issues.

Just like the NRA exists to support gun owners. Not to advocate for wages, benefits and working conditions for firefighters /LEO's.

According to their Charters/Bylaws that is correct. But in reality it is a well known and documented fallacy. And a piss poor counter intuitive comparison.

LE and all PubSec Unions do quite often garner support for "other political issues".

Like LE Unions publicly whoring themselves for anti 2A legislations. AND donate large amounts of campaign cash to support their mutually beneficial symbiotic parasitic political partners.

Which they initially claimed to oppose. But then flip and support, as soon as their political allies grant them CARVE OUT EXEMPTIONS.

Whereas the NRA NEVER supports any other political issues.

In recent previous elections ALL CA LEO Associations came out strongly against early release of criminals from prison and all the other criminal coddling measures. Those measures all still passed.

Then you whine like kicked dogs, when THE MASTERS, YOU HELPED ELECT AND KEEP IN POWER, SO YOU CAN FILL YOUR WALLETS WITH TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, ignore your concerns.

BooHoo

[OCEquestrian]

Individual LEO's and firefighters will always do what they can to protect people. Including giving up their lives to protect you.

That is the reality of the job descriptions...and performed to varying degrees in practice.

No matter what any firefighter/LEO Association does those facts won't change.

I agree with Lincoln on this as do a lot of LEO organizations on the east coast.. Virginia and now NYC most recently...

"Important principles may, and must, be inflexible."

Abraham Lincoln

In recent previous elections ALL CA LEO Associations came out strongly against early release of criminals from prison and all the other criminal coddling measures. Those measures all still passed.

Too little too late. The monster you all have helped to create has turned against you.

The real issue is the ultra liberal / progressive voting monopoly in CA.

Reinforced by all the LEO/FF endorsements all these years, using the position of trust with the public to imply these democrats (and the unions) had public safety in mind when the endorsements are made. Look at that campaign flyer and what it implies.

Here is a prime example... The 2019 San Francisco DA's election. The local SF Police Association and other LE groups spent $650,000 to try and defeat the son of terrorists...Guess what the terrorist's kid won...

Again.. too little too late. The liberal progressive political machine has turned on them and grown beyond their reach... thanks in no small part to all that support over the last few decades.

Stop blaming LEO's and recognize who your true enemy is...

"the friend of my enemy is my enemy....." and the democrats and those who help them deceive the public about their true intentions and values are the enemy of law and order.

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he enemy is your fellow CA residents. Specifically your friends, relatives, neighbors and coworkers. They are the voters who vote on all these issues.

Yea they are too, especially all the gun owners among us who vote democrat. I am all for calling them out, ostracizing them and having the firearms community tax them.

The sooner you recognize that CA is lost the better...

Probably the one thing we agree on in your post...

[SVT-40]

Too little too late...

If that's the case, then why the post?

Sounds like there isn't anything anyone can do. Because according to you it's too late to do anything about the decline of CA other than leave.

Good luck to you.