Unleaded Gasoline

[sigstroker]

Unleaded gas coming about had nothing to do with lead in the environment. It was because lead would coat the internals of catalytic converters and eventually ruin them. Catalytic converters came about because emission standards kept getting stricter every year. For awhile, Honda was able to meet the new standards without using a catalytic converter, and could still use leaded gas. Eventually, the emission standard got so strict, even Honda had to go to catalytic converters.

[Eureka1911]

Trouble is, the environment is full of lead from leaded gasoline. It won't go away unless urban areas are razed, scraped clean and remediated.

I make my living doing environmental clean up. I wish this were true, but it simply is not.

[bohoki]

i wish they would make shotshells out of paper those degrade but i do like the steel rim makes them easy to pick up

i enjoy casting bullets

piston aircraft are still using leaded gas

[mikeyr]

I have lived through a few .22 shortages, so I now have about 30,000 .22 rounds at home, all have lead. My daughter and I, mostly my daughter, will go through those rounds in a few years time, so what do we do with them if the law passes this year ? Are we felons ? just based on possession. I also have probably close to 25,000 bullets ready to be loaded, what do I do with those ?

This was all a substantial investment (for me) before the ammo laws took effect a few years ago, I had twice what I have now but I figure I still have about 3-5 years of "stuff" which is all lead before I run out, so again what do I do if th...forget that...WHEN this passes ?

I am not one to believe that lead at a shooting range is harmful, it can be cleaned up pretty easily in that small restricted location. At my range, we can only shoot steel shotgun ammo, luckily I only had 800 rounds to go through before that took effect, but steel handgun and rifle ammo is banned, so again, what do I shoot there after this new law ?

I did buy some lead free ammo, 100 bullets for every caliber I own, so that when I go camping I am carrying lead free even if I am not in a lead free area, I figured it was easier than explaining to some ranger that I was legal in the area I am in, just have lead free all around. That was ridiculously expensive to get those 100 bullets for every caliber and no I don't have too many calibers, I think I need a few more

The only way I would be ok with that lead free law was if they gave me 5 years to go through what I have already in my garage, then force me to lead free...wait, I wont be in Calif in 5 years so they can't force me.

[Hinnerk]

Eureka1911,

Can you please elaborate on what part of my post you disagree with? I don't want to be spreading FUD.

[Notpc]

I'm too young to know what life was like before unleaded gas and freon but potentially the air we breath is better now despite even more people. I wonder if going unleaded will push the industry to develop better bullets and/or barrels and later, lower cost. Bullet makers just have to stamp one metal now instead of enveloping lead with copper. They can even use aluminum/steel/recyclable polymer for cases to drop prices. Steel can even be picked up easier at the range, indoor and outdoors. Decades from now we'll be wondering to ourselves how we could have let our lands go to crap with lead, when people use to litter the hillsides and BLM land with toxic lead. After all, this could actually be a function of population and pollution than with control over gun rights. Did the muscle car enthusiasts of old have the same thought about the government trying to take their cars and freedom when we switched over. Aren't cars even faster and economical now than ever before? Are Prius drivers suffering from heat exhaustion from using R-134? Tell me America can't figure this one out and lead the way in bullet innovation.

This is why stupid legislation like this gets started.

[Whiskey_Tango]

Where does this pollutant lead come from? How did this unnatural element find it's way on our "green" earth?

[The War Wagon]

I'm too young to know what life was like before unleaded gas and freon but potentially the air we breath is better now despite even more people.

Nope.


The main carcinogen in leaded gasoline, was lead. Unleaded gas has 22 different carcinogens, and is MUCH more toxic to the air and water supply. Ditto R-134, vs. R-12 & R-22.


Greenie weenies like to bury those facts. I'm not ABOUT to trust them with firearm... 'technology.' The bullet will come out the rear sight, when they get done with it.

[norcal77]

I'm too young to know what life was like before unleaded gas and freon but potentially the air we breath is better now despite even more people. I wonder if going unleaded will push the industry to develop better bullets and/or barrels and later, lower cost. Bullet makers just have to stamp one metal now instead of enveloping lead with copper. They can even use aluminum/steel/recyclable polymer for cases to drop prices. Steel can even be picked up easier at the range, indoor and outdoors. Decades from now we'll be wondering to ourselves how we could have let our lands go to crap with lead, when people use to litter the hillsides and BLM land with toxic lead. After all, this could actually be a function of population and pollution than with control over gun rights. Did the muscle car enthusiasts of old have the same thought about the government trying to take their cars and freedom when we switched over. Aren't cars even faster and economical now than ever before? Are Prius drivers suffering from heat exhaustion from using R-134? Tell me America can't figure this one out and lead the way in bullet innovation.

[librarian72]

Everyone says "lead", but they are not the same thing. A bullet is elemental lead, while the stuff used in gasoline is tetraethyl lead. Elemental lead is solid and virtually inert. Tetraethyl lead tends to vaporize, is easily absorbed through lung and gastrointestinal tissues, is toxic, is carcinogenic and is made from some stuff that makes tetraethyl lead look downright safe by comparison.

[warbird]

why are we taking on the woes of the world when we contribute so little to the mess by comparison. A california retired senator says she back Tom Steyer and yet this man does nothing but tilt at windmills and cost the average taxpayer money to chase something that does nothing to create a better world. The senator I think finally got booted but when you pay 40 cents more for gasoline that does nothing to create better air in California thanks to india, China, and russia poluting the rest of it. The same stupid argument is being made about lead bullet. It is control of us and nothing more.