Is this an AOW?

[neffect]

Is this an AOW or just a "Pistol" in CA? Since CA sees everything under 16" barrel as a pistol. Federal this would be and AOW, but where does it fall in CA?

[norcalAF]

I can't speak to the legalities, but the cool factor is pretty high!

[The War Wagon]

Better send it to me for safekeeping, while your legalities are straightened out.

[Milsurp1]

The vertical device in front is the tripod it is mounted on, not a vertical handgrip, so why would it be an AOW federally?

[neffect]

My understanding....

Federally:
- Barrel is under 16" so its a pistol
- BUT its not designed to be fired with one hand or have a pistol grip = AOW
- If it was over 26" inches is would be a "Firearm", but still has no pistol grip. Not sure what happens there. ???

CA
- Barrel is under 16", so its a pistol.

[Mandingo27]

That's pretty neat

[plumbum]

I’ve seen rifles with the spade trigger, but not a pistol before... hmm this could be interesting.

[enorbit3]

Doesn't Franklin armory make something like that for CA?

[sigstroker]

My understanding....

Federally:
- Barrel is under 16" so its a pistol
- BUT its not designed to be fired with one hand or have a pistol grip = AOW
- If it was over 26" inches is would be a "Firearm", but still has no pistol grip. Not sure what happens there. ???

CA
- Barrel is under 16", so its a pistol.

It has a rifled barrel.

[SCVlongstroke]

If it even seems cool then it’s not California legal

[Milsurp1]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-appendix/download

[Quiet]

Is this an AOW or just a "Pistol" in CA? Since CA sees everything under 16" barrel as a pistol. Federal this would be and AOW, but where does it fall in CA?

Under Federal laws/regulations...

Because the lengths are unknown, don't know if it is a Title 1 Other or a Title 2 AOW.

Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length less than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Handgun.
Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length less than 26" + no shoulder stock + vertical forward grip or smoothbore barrel = Title 2 AOW.
Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length greater than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other.
Firearm + barrel length greater than 16" + overall length greater than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other


Under Ca laws/regulations...

Firearm with a less than 16" barrel length is a "handgun", which can also be a SBR/SBS if it meets those definitions.

A semi-auto pistol that is not listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale and does not have a chamber load indicator, magazine disconnect mechanism, and microstamping array is an unsafe handgun.

Semi-auto pistol that accepts magazines outside of it's grip is an assault weapon.

Title 2 AOW are exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws, but are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws and CA unsafe handgun laws.


Therefore...

The firearm as pictured would be considered a handgun, unsafe handgun, and assault weapon.

Doesn't Franklin armory make something like that for CA?

Franklin Armory made a CA legal Title 1 Other version that was semi-auto centerfire that did not have a fixed magazine and had a barrel length of greater than 16" + overall length greater than 30" + no shoulder stock + spade grip + bipod/tripod mount.

[neffect]

Under Federal laws/regulations...

Because the lengths are unknown, don't know if it is a Title 1 Other or a Title 2 AOW.

Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length less than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Handgun.
Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length less than 26" + no shoulder stock + vertical forward grip or smoothbore barrel = Title 2 AOW.
Firearm + barrel length less than 16" + overall length greater than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other.
Firearm + barrel length greater than 16" + overall length greater than 26" + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other


Under Ca laws/regulations...

Firearm with a less than 16" barrel length is a "handgun", which can also be a SBR/SBS if it meets those definitions.

A semi-auto pistol that is not listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale and does not have a chamber load indicator, magazine disconnect mechanism, and microstamping array is an unsafe handgun.

Semi-auto pistol that accepts magazines outside of it's grip is an assault weapon.

Title 2 AOW are exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws, but are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws and CA unsafe handgun laws.


Therefore...

The firearm as pictured would be considered a handgun, unsafe handgun, and assault weapon.

Franklin Armory made a CA legal Title 1 Other version that was semi-auto centerfire that did not have a fixed magazine and had a barrel length of greater than 16" + overall length greater than 30" + no shoulder stock + spade grip + bipod/tripod mount.

Ok QUITE.

Lower is register BBAW or AW as a Pistol.
Barrel is under 16"
Overall length is under 26" (But it might be 26"+, dont think that matters)

I'm staying Pistol. (AW or BBAW) QUITE is that correct?

[Quiet]

Lower is register BBAW or AW as a Pistol.
Barrel is under 16"
Overall length is under 26" (But it might be 26"+, dont think that matters)

I'm staying Pistol. (AW or BBAW) QUITE is that correct?

If it is a RAW, then it would take care of the issue of being an assault weapon.

Since it was already transferred or registered as a semi-auto pistol, then it would take care of the issue of being an unsafe handgun.

Since the barrel length is less than 16", then it would still be considered a handgun.