Legality of umbrella guns

[cannon]

So a question (With a twist) about umbrella guns.

I have been told they are illegal. I do not know that for a fact.

My question is black powder umbrella guns which is all I see at out of state antique gun shows.

So is an antique black powder either cartridge or cap and ball legal here in the Ca?

Also can a modern umbrella gun be legal with an AOW designation?

[heidad01]

No,
No,
And never heard of an umbrella AOW! Most likely not on this one.
Blades and shooting tubes in canes are definitly no no's.

[RickD427]

Illegal - refer to Penal Code section 24510.

Black Powder doesn't change anything. California defines black powder weapons as firearms, but exempts them from several Penal Code sections governing firearms, but not from section 24510. Please refer to Penal Code sections 16520 and 16170 for the treatment of black powder weapons.

[Uncivil Engineer]

What happens if you put an umbrella top on an AR?

What if I put a cane top down the barrel of a Remington 700?

If this one a gun always a gun, do just a gun with a silly attachment and this legal it or does the cane handle make the Remington illegal?

[Quiet]

So a question (With a twist) about umbrella guns.

I have been told they are illegal. I do not know that for a fact.

My question is black powder umbrella guns which is all I see at out of state antique gun shows.

So is an antique black powder either cartridge or cap and ball legal here in the Ca?

Illegal - refer to Penal Code section 24510.

Black Powder doesn't change anything. California defines black powder weapons as firearms, but exempts them from several Penal Code sections governing firearms, but not from section 24510. Please refer to Penal Code sections 16520 and 16170 for the treatment of black powder weapons.

A blackpowder firearm using a matchlock, wheel lock, flintlock, or percussion cap ignition system is considered a type of "antique firearm" [PC 16170(c)(1)], that is also exempt from CA generally prohibited weapons laws [PC 17700].



Penal Code 16170
(c) As used in Section 17700, “antique firearm” means either of the following:
(1) Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898. This includes any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898.
(2) Any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

Penal Code 17700
The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to any antique firearm.

Penal Code 16590
As used in this part, “generally prohibited weapon” means any of the following:
(f) A camouflaging firearm container, as prohibited by Section 24310.
(g) A cane gun, as prohibited by Section 24410.
(k) A firearm that is not immediately recognizable as a firearm, as prohibited by Section 24510.
(t) A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, as prohibited by Section 33215.
(v) An unconventional pistol, as prohibited by Section 31500.
(w) An undetectable firearm, as prohibited by Section 24610.
(x) A wallet gun, as prohibited by Section 24710.
(z) A zip gun, as prohibited by Section 33600.

[Donny1]

What if I put a cane top down the barrel of a Remington 700?

Sounds like an "evil" feature to me