We need to allow Service members to be armed on base!

[billt]

Not everyone needs to be armed......

Why not? There is strength in numbers. Police departments arm all of their officers. Many are required to be armed even while they are off duty. But we're not supposed to allow our military personnel to be armed in the same manner? That's ridiculous.

How many times does this complete lunacy have to happen, before people smarten up? First it was Ft. Hood. Then the Washington Navy Yard shooting. Now here in Pensacola.

Think about it. How much training does a cop get, when compared to a naval fighter pilot who is entrusted with a $35 MILLION plane, equipped with enough weapons that could level city blocks, and kill hundreds? These are men who carry an unbelievable amount of personal responsibility. Both human and financial. Yet they can't carry a gun, but a cop on patrol can. Or a $16.00 an hour armored car driver. Preposterous.

[ccwnewbie]

I’m guessing the people suggesting this have never served......when I was in the navy I was with quite a few people that didn’t have the mental capacity/or had anger issues that had no business carrying.

[Jimi Jah]

There is a reason why there were no mass shootings in the old western towns.

They wouldn't get away with it.

[billt]

There are a lot of cops you can say the same thing about. Not to mention citizens. And I won't even get into the, "security guards", and all the others you have running around armed.

How many idiots are on the road that shouldn't be driving?

[Ahmad]

No, we absolutely don't need all servicemembers armed. Most Marines can't even shoot a man-sized target at 25 yds accurately. However, incentivizing mature servicemembers with clear records of responsibility and excellent marksmanship to gain permits may work.

Btw, read your sig. Did Christ tell you to hate others? Just wondering.

[jarhead714]

[Ahmad]

100%. There shouldn't even be blanket SNCO armament. Most are fine people, but I had one drag me to his "new truck" in 5th Marines to show me his collection of "sweet new gats" that he hid in the back seat of a two-wheel-drive F150 he got for 15% interest.

They aren't all mature. Frankly, I agree with RandyD. DoD needs a program to select responsible, mature individuals with proven leadership records, and excellent marksmanship to carry concealed.

[IrishJoe3]

Hahahaha!! This man speaks the truth!

[Jwalt]

E-5 and up, 0-3 and up. Put them through a "Use of force in secured environments" 10 hr training course covering policy and live training and let them re-qualify every year. I see no reason for CCW. They can absolutely open carry.

[Usmc0844spare]

Having been in the military, trust me, you do NOT want the rank and file walking around base locked and loaded.

[Usmc0844spare]

You arm people on base and the first murder of a Staff NCO or Officer will occur within 6 months. Somebody will be denied leave, then after ingesting some form of alcohol they’ll walk into an office and blow somebody away. Every base commander knows this and that’s why it’s not approved.

Not to mention the number of people who will manage to lose them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtFJ5O2YPxs

This is all you need to know about the military and how technically proficient they are NOT. To be clear, I am talking about the general rank and file, non combat MOSes. But even then, would I want a buncha 0311s walking around the base armed on November 11th? Nope.

I mean they didn't even give the National Guardsmen rounds when they were stalking the airports after 9/11.

Except for MPs, the military is not trained to do "cop things". Walking around with a loaded weapon all day long in garrison "just in case something happens" is a cop thing. To do this would require a crap-ton of additional time and training (even IF only SNCOs and Os got weapons - just because you are higher than an E5 doesn't mean you are magically imbued with more competence or smarts) and the schedules are already packed enough as is.

[50BMGBOB]

I am a vet, what amazes me is change the this to civilians talk of CCW's and a lot of you sound like the same anti gun arguments. Either people have a right, or they don't. Service member or civilian doesn't matter.

[Usmc0844spare]

I am a vet, what amazes me is change the this to civilians talk of CCW's and a lot of you sound like the same anti gun arguments. Either people have a right, or they don't. Service member or civilian doesn't matter.

Well, truth be told I don't think most of the rank and file general population should be walking around day to day armed either. At least not without training.

In the civilian setting, you're telling me I should be comfortable walking around knowing that that same idiot who thinks it's ok to jump in the backseat of their Tesla while it's on autopilot is armed. NEVER.GONNA.HAPPEN.

In the military context you are asking me to be comfortable knowing that the same kid who somehow managed to swallow a bunch of pushpins at MOS school and felt he was "being picked on" because he had to do some pushups for being late to formation is going to be walking around armed, and not under close supervision? NEVER.GONNA.HAPPEN.

To clarify, everyone should have the right to protect themselves with deadly force in their own homes. But NOT everyone CAN be trusted to start bringing deadly force with them outside the home.

[SloChicken]

Well, truth be told I don't think most of the rank and file general population should be walking around day to day armed either. At least not without training.

In the civilian setting, you're telling me I should be comfortable walking around knowing that that same idiot who thinks it's ok to jump in the backseat of their Tesla while it's on autopilot is armed. NEVER.GONNA.HAPPEN.

In the military context you are asking me to be comfortable knowing that the same kid who somehow managed to swallow a bunch of pushpins at MOS school and felt he was "being picked on" because he had to do some pushups for being late to formation is going to be walking around armed, and not under close supervision? NEVER.GONNA.HAPPEN.

To clarify, everyone should have the right to protect themselves with deadly force in their own homes. But NOT everyone CAN be trusted to start bringing deadly force with them outside the home.

Nonsense.
Unless disallowed through mental illness or criminal action, everyone should be able to carry wherever, with very few restrictions.

If we are going to allow our troops to put themselves in harms way downrange, and apparently stateside (my brother was at Ft. Hood when the shooting occurred there), and for those same troops to do, by and large, excellent work both keeping the $50m aircraft and so on at the ready without but the rarest of problem, then why should we restrict them from the right to self protection.

You really need to think through what you wrote, as you are workkng hard to get your own firearm and ability to protect you and yours taken from you.

[tomk556]

I am a vet, what amazes me is change the this to civilians talk of CCW's and a lot of you sound like the same anti gun arguments. Either people have a right, or they don't. Service member or civilian doesn't matter.