California's Gun Rights Future?

[harbormaster]

I can't find that thread that was started by someone in charge of this forum about the future of gun rights and Cal Guns and politics etc. It was a long thread and I lost track of it after reading it for some time?

Anyway I just had an idea for it and it makes more sense to me so I thought we should toss it about.

The CG community, NRA, and manufacturers should get together and work to increase gun ownership. We focus so much on trying to get the right people elected while the anti gun rights people work on limiting gun ownership. I think the simple fact is "more guns = more gun rights votes."

If, politically, we were going to spend $500,000 on a political campaign to win one congressional seat (just us not the whole race) then wouldn't we be better off trying to figure out how to get 5,000 more homes a gun in them? Even 2,500. We may win one seat or we could gain 3750/4000 votes for ever?

How hard would it be? Manufacturer discounts a firearm. NRA offers online presentations and a training certificate to the buyer, locally with ranges and shops we offer to get them trained and some discounted ammo. Next thing you know we have a life time gun owner and voter of gun rights. For every rule the progressive anti gun zealots put in our way the more gun owners we create to protect themselves both physically and politically!

Would we even need to spend $100 for each one? IDK it needs to be an worthy incentive / package?

[OCEquestrian]

I can't find that thread that was started by someone in charge of this forum about the future of gun rights and Cal Guns and politics etc. It was a long thread and I lost track of it after reading it for some time?

Anyway I just had an idea for it and it makes more sense to me so I thought we should toss it about.

The CG community, NRA, and manufacturers should get together and work to increase gun ownership. We focus so much on trying to get the right people elected while the anti gun rights people work on limiting gun ownership. I think the simple fact is "more guns = more gun rights votes."

If, politically, we were going to spend $500,000 on a political campaign to win one congressional seat (just us not the whole race) then wouldn't we be better off trying to figure out how to get 5,000 more homes a gun in them? Even 2,500. We may win one seat or we could gain 3750/4000 votes for ever?

How hard would it be? Manufacturer discounts a firearm. NRA offers online presentations and a training certificate to the buyer, locally with ranges and shops we offer to get them trained and some discounted ammo. Next thing you know we have a life time gun owner and voter of gun rights. For every rule the progressive anti gun zealots put in our way the more gun owners we create to protect themselves both physically and politically!

Would we even need to spend $100 for each one? IDK it needs to be an worthy incentive / package?

Putting guns in homes does not guarantee Republican votes or second amendment protection in California. There are over 7 million gun owners in the state of California. Take a look at the number of votes cast for Republican and Democrat in the last election for statewide office or for the presidency. A large number of California's gun owners are voting Democrat reliably.

Take a look to your left and you're right next time you're in a public shooting range and you're likely to see several Democrats shooting their guns that you and I have worked so hard to protect. Looking left and right again and you'll probably see that 70 or 80% of those people are not even members of the NRA.

Pissing $500,000 away giving Democratic voters free guns is not going to help change the situation here.

[17+1]

Putting guns in Holmes does not guarantee Republican votes or second amendment protection in California. There are over 7 million gun owners in the state of California. Take a look at the number of votes cast for Republican and Democrat in the last election for statewide office or for the presidency. A large number of California's gun owners are voting Democrat reliably.

Take a look to your left and you're right next time you're in a public shooting range and you're likely to see several Democrats shooting their guns that you and I have worked so hard to protect. Looking left and right again and you'll probably see that 70 or 80% of those people are not even members of the NRA.

Pissing $500,000 away giving Democratic voters free guns is not going to help change the situation here.

[ugimports]

Depending where you are NRA members are already trying to increase gun ownership. The Alameda NRA Members Council hosts a "fun shoot" activity 2- 3 times a year to introduce new people to firearms. The Santa Clara Valley Rifle Club up until it's recent closing held a "newbie" shoot every month for the past X number of years to introduce new people to firearms.

While none of this added a coupon or discount for a firearm it does have the effect of creating new gun owners. You don't need any of the formal NRA/Mfg/etc orgs to start to make a difference now.

Maybe see if any of the orgs or clubs are around you are doing something similar and volunteer your time. That's how they are run typically with the only fees, if any, to recoup some ammo costs or to pay for the range.

At the members council that I volunteer at the costs paid by the attendees goes 100% to the range. The ammo and "instructor" time from the volunteers is free.

Maybe you can start a CG Fun Shoot in your area and gather up some CG volunteers to get something going.

[harbormaster]

No Guarantee was ever suggested

Of course not - none was suggested. Do a survey. I'll bet money that the majority of homes with firearms vote to protect gun rights - never implied ALL but I'll gladly imply the majority.

Putting guns in Holmes does not guarantee Republican votes or second amendment protection in California. There are over 7 million gun owners in the state of California. Take a look at the number of votes cast for Republican and Democrat in the last election for statewide office or for the presidency. A large number of California's gun owners are voting Democrat reliably.

Take a look to your left and you're right next time you're in a public shooting range and you're likely to see several Democrats shooting their guns that you and I have worked so hard to protect. Looking left and right again and you'll probably see that 70 or 80% of those people are not even members of the NRA.

Pissing $500,000 away giving Democratic voters free guns is not going to help change the situation here.

[anonymouscuban]

Depending where you are NRA members are already trying to increase gun ownership. The Alameda NRA Members Council hosts a "fun shoot" activity 2- 3 times a year to introduce new people to firearms. The Santa Clara Valley Rifle Club up until it's recent closing held a "newbie" shoot every month for the past X number of years to introduce new people to firearms.

While none of this added a coupon or discount for a firearm it does have the effect of creating new gun owners. You don't need any of the formal NRA/Mfg/etc orgs to start to make a difference now.

Maybe see if any of the orgs or clubs are around you are doing something similar and volunteer your time. That's how they are run typically with the only fees, if any, to recoup some ammo costs or to pay for the range.

At the members council that I volunteer at the costs paid by the attendees goes 100% to the range. The ammo and "instructor" time from the volunteers is free.

Maybe you can start a CG Fun Shoot in your area and gather up some CG volunteers to get something going.

I will add that in similar fashion to what these organizations are doing, each one of us can do it ourselves. Most of us know at least one liberal. Hell, the majority of people I know, whether personal acquaintances or coworkers are liberal or at least non-gun owners. I've made it a mission to try expose as many of them to guns.

You can do it with everyone but some of these folks the topic of guns will eventually come up. When it does, I always offer to take them to the range to shoot. About 75% voice interest. Maybe 40% of them so far have actually gone out with me to the local range. I've gotten 3 people to buy their first pistol in the past 2 years of doing this.

Even the ones that didn't, left with a different opinion about guns and a little more perspective on them. There can be no losers here. Even for me. I get to go shoot guns so in the end, I win regardless of the outcome.

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[OCEquestrian]

Of course not - none was suggested. Do a survey. I'll bet money that the majority of homes with firearms vote to protect gun rights - never implied ALL but I'll gladly imply the majority.

People are democrats for their own reasons the same way many of us are republican on the gun issue. Not everyone thinks guns are fun, cool or necessary.

The democrats have cobbled together a more fractured coalition than the republicans....

Woman's abortion rights
Gay rights
Illegal immigrants rights
Civil rights
War on poverty
Unions
Environmental issues
Drug legalization
Big corporate welfare

These and more are all lifestyle and quality of life issues for liberals / democrats and I seriously doubt giving someone a free cheap handgun would cause them to abandon those ideals or values. Not everyone is into guns ....Just saying....

[Dan_Eastvale]

People are democrats for their own reasons the same way many of us are republican on the gun issue. Not everyone thinks guns are fun, cool or necessary.



The democrats have cobbled together a more fractured coalition that the republicans....



Woman's abortion rights

Gay rights

Illegal immigrants rights

Civil rights

War on poverty

Unions

Environmental issues

Drug legalization

Big corporate welfare



These and more are all lifestyle and quality of life issues for liberals / democrats and I seriously doubt giving someone a free cheap handgun would cause them to abandon those ideals or values. Not everyone is into guns ....Just saying....

And to think that as late as the 60's most of those weren't part of the Dems agenda.. The South was solid Democrat.

[OCEquestrian]

And to think that as late as the 60's most of those weren't part of the Dems agenda.. The South was solid Democrat.

'Times they are a changing..."The democrats have been William for change more then the republicans...they are more hungry for the power to rule.

[harbormaster]

just saying

Nothing is for "everyone" its called building a base. You recruit more gun owners you deny the anti gun zealots their victory.

Turners over black friday offered a cheap shotgun for 119 dollars. How easy that would have been to couple with some efforts to get it in the hands of people who don't now own a firearm, but could be introduced too it.

At one time in this state political parties were paying $20 to just get someone registered in their party. How much is spent on elections per vote? No one is ever going to get "EVERYONE" its about getting more.

People are democrats for their own reasons the same way many of us are republican on the gun issue. Not everyone thinks guns are fun, cool or necessary.

The democrats have cobbled together a more fractured coalition than the republicans....

Woman's abortion rights
Gay rights
Illegal immigrants rights
Civil rights
War on poverty
Unions
Environmental issues
Drug legalization
Big corporate welfare

These and more are all lifestyle and quality of life issues for liberals / democrats and I seriously doubt giving someone a free cheap handgun would cause them to abandon those ideals or values. Not everyone is into guns ....Just saying....

[Rifle ronin]

I don't even think there is a Republican option for voting in california.

[unusedusername]

Depending where you are NRA members are already trying to increase gun ownership. The Alameda NRA Members Council hosts a "fun shoot" activity 2- 3 times a year to introduce new people to firearms. The Santa Clara Valley Rifle Club up until it's recent closing held a "newbie" shoot every month for the past X number of years to introduce new people to firearms.

While none of this added a coupon or discount for a firearm it does have the effect of creating new gun owners. You don't need any of the formal NRA/Mfg/etc orgs to start to make a difference now.

Maybe see if any of the orgs or clubs are around you are doing something similar and volunteer your time. That's how they are run typically with the only fees, if any, to recoup some ammo costs or to pay for the range.

At the members council that I volunteer at the costs paid by the attendees goes 100% to the range. The ammo and "instructor" time from the volunteers is free.

Maybe you can start a CG Fun Shoot in your area and gather up some CG volunteers to get something going.

You can get free swag from the NRA for your fun shoot if you register it as a Brownells NRA day. https://nraday.nra.org/web/default.aspx

[GM4spd]

Of course not - none was suggested. Do a survey. I'll bet money that the majority of homes with firearms vote to protect gun rights

Here in CA,I doubt this. A lot of liberal,Democrats own guns in this state but
you will never know who they are, and believing they are voting for RKBA is
pure fantasy.

[Nvberinger]

Of course not - none was suggested. Do a survey. I'll bet money that the majority of homes with firearms vote to protect gun rights - never implied ALL but I'll gladly imply the majority.

They are buying guns because police departments are not reliable, higher crime rate, immigration policies. All of this from the Progressive Dems.

[big red]

when my liberal friends complain about guns i ask them what would they do between the time they call 911 and the cops arrive which could be fifteen or twenty minutes. If the criminal is armed with an illegal gun and they have nothing but a steak knife are the cops going to find dead bodies or are the cops going to arrive to find live victims who were fighting back if the family had a gun . The name of the game is survival. They never have a come back remark but i have seen a couple of women get that look on their face like they may have married the wrong wimp. A man in today's high crime state (california) who is not willing to own a gun to protect his family needs to be shamed in public debate.