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  • that one guy
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1002

    How do your transfer a AR pistol?

  • #2
    edgerly779
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2009
    • 19871

    Be prepared to prove it is a handgun ar . Do u=you have your dros proving that?

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    • #3
      Bullets&Whitewalls
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 2374

      As far as I know the best way is complete with a maglock and no BB. And as long as it is a pistol lower you should be gtg

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30242

        Originally posted by that one guy
        I’ve been out of the loop with things for awhile, has the laws changed with ppt’ing a AR pistol. I’d like to have some clarification before I post a add here. Thank you in advance.
        It needs to be configured in a manner that makes it CA legal.

        Since 01-01-2017, "bullet button" style magazine releases are no longer CA legal.

        Starting 01-01-2019, if the firearm is a non-exempt self-made ("80%) firearm, then it is illegal to transfer it in CA.
        ^Only exemption is surrendering it to law enforcement for destruction.

        In order to be CA legal and transferred as a "handgun", it needs to be configured as one of the following:

        1. Semi-auto AR style pistol with a fixed 10 or less round magazine.
        ^Magazine needs to be contained in the firearm and it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or it needs to be permannetly attached in the firearm's magazine well.

        2. Manually operated repeating AR style pistol.
        ^The semi-auto parts need to be removed (gas block, gas tube/piston) or permannetly disabled (gas block is plugged).

        3. Manually operated single-shot AR style pistol or break-open single-shot AR style pistol.
        ^The semi-auto parts need to be removed (gas block, gas tube/piston) or permannetly disabled (gas block is plugged) and it needs a 0 round magazine/sled contained in the firearm & it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or it needs to be permannetly attached in the firearm's magazine well.

        4. Disassembled parts.
        ^The firearm is disassembled into receiver parts (stripped or competed lower and stripped or completed upper). The lower receiver is transferred through a FFL and remaining parts are transferred directly to the buyer.
        Last edited by Quiet; 11-29-2019, 4:17 PM.
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        • #5
          Jimi Jah
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2014
          • 18838

          Convert it into a featureless rifle?

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          • #6
            kelvin232
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 827

            if it was originally self made but sold to someone else prior to 1-1-19, can they sell it since they didn't make it?

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            • #7
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30242

              Originally posted by kelvin232
              if it was originally self made but sold to someone else prior to 1-1-19, can they sell it since they didn't make it?
              If the original maker engraved their info on it and it was DROS'd or voluntarily registered with CA DOJ before 07-01-2018, then yes, this self-made firearm can still be legally transferred in CA.

              If the original maker engraved their info on it and it was not DROS'd or not voluntarily registered with CA DOJ before 07-01-2018, then no, this self-made firearm can not be legally transferred in CA.

              If the original maker did not engrave their info on it, then no, this self-made firearm can not be legally transferred in the USA.
              Last edited by Quiet; 11-29-2019, 4:27 PM.
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              "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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              • #8
                that one guy
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1002

                Originally posted by Quiet
                It needs to be configured in a manner that makes it CA legal.

                Since 01-01-2017, "bullet button" style magazine releases are no longer CA legal.

                Starting 01-01-2019, if the firearm is a non-exempt self-made ("80%) firearm, then it is illegal to transfer it in CA.
                ^Only exemption is surrendering it to law enforcement for destruction.

                In order to be CA legal and transferred as a "handgun", it needs to be configured as one of the following:

                1. Semi-auto AR style pistol with a fixed 10 or less round magazine.
                ^Magazine needs to be contained in the firearm and it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or it needs to be permannetly attached in the firearm's magazine well.

                2. Manually operated repeating AR style pistol.
                ^The semi-auto parts need to be removed (gas block, gas tube/piston) or permannetly disabled (gas block is plugged).

                3. Manually operated single-shot AR style pistol or break-open single-shot AR style pistol.
                ^The semi-auto parts need to be removed (gas block, gas tube/piston) or permannetly disabled (gas block is plugged) and it needs a 0 round magazine/sled contained in the firearm & it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or it needs to be permannetly attached in the firearm's magazine well.

                4. Disassembled parts.
                ^The firearm is disassembled into receiver parts (stripped or competed lower and stripped or completed upper). The lower receiver is transferred through a FFL and remaining parts are transferred directly to the buyer.

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                • #9
                  Quiet
                  retired Goon
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 30242

                  The AR lower receiver is considered the firearm.

                  If the AR lower receiver is a non-exempt self-made (80%) firearm, then it's illegal to transfer in CA.

                  A stripped or completed AR lower receiver would be transferred as a "rifle, receiver" or as a "rifle, semi-auto, receiver" or as a "pistol, receiver" or as a "pistol, semi-auto, receiver".
                  ^The CA FFL dealer that does the transfer is the person who would be submitting this.

                  If it gets transferred as a "rifle, receiver" or as a "rifle, semi-auto, receiver", then it's illegal to make it into a pistol (illegal SBR, weapon made from rifle).

                  If it gets transferred as a "pistol, receiver", then it can be legally used to make a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or as a dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistol and in order to remain CA legal, it will need to remain configured as such while in CA.

                  If it gets transferred as a "pistol, semi-auto, receiver", then it can be legally used to make a semi-auto pistol with a fixed 10 round magazine.
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                  "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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