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  • denfa
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2019
    • 9

    First Time Doing PPT (buyer)

    Hopefully, this is in the right forum. Being new to Calguns, I've found myself migrating to the Private Firearms Sales - Handguns forum more than a few times and a few off-roster items managed to pique my interest. I'm writing this post in hopes to educate myself and others that may find themselves in a similar situation as me (someone engaging in a first-time private party transfer). I'd also like to preface this by saying that I realize some of these questions will appear rudimentary to a lot of people but I have yet to find anything compendious in regards to this subject matter and this could save people a lot of time and money spent. I'll get right to the questions:

    1. What are the minimum requirements (of both parties) needed to complete a PPT in California? (I.e., Are there any particular questions people forget to ask and/or items people forget to bring during their interaction with the other party & FFL? Are there any other restrictions to PPTs besides the normal CA rules and regulations associated with buying a firearm directly from an FFL?)

    2. Once both parties meet at an agreed-upon FFL, what happens next? What does the process actually look like from start to finish? Is this something that needs to be scheduled?

    3. When (and this goes back to the above question) is the money given to the seller and what type of documentation is associated with this transfer?

    4. What happens if the buyer's background check gets denied during the 10 day waiting period? (I.e., What happens to the money and what happens to the firearm?)

    5. How does one go about assessing the quality and condition of the firearm they are looking to buy? What things should you look for? How can someone ensure that the information the seller is providing about the firearm is accurate (mods, rounds fired, reason for selling, etc.)?

    6. Differences in PPTs with off-roster vs. on-roster handguns?

    7. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, what are the inherent risks associated with buying a firearm through a PPT? What happens if one encounters troubles with said firearm after the transaction is complete?

    8. Side-note: If you feel like there is other information that is pertinent to PPTs and isn't already covered by the above questions, feel free to share your thoughts.

    Again, my hope is to encourage other first-time buyers to take the plunge into their first PPT and perhaps mitigate bad-experiences due to naivety. I know for me, a lack of real-world knowledge can make people hesitant to try new things.
  • #2
    shafferds
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 1970

    make sure you call the ffl and see if they need an appointment for ppt. make sure both parties have all required documentation with current address and such matching dl, car registration ect.

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    • #3
      norcalAF
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2012
      • 1654

      If you are unsure of how to thoroughly inspect the firearm your interested in, look on YouTube, chances are someone has made a video. Issues after the transaction are on you, it's a used firearm, though several manufacturers will fix problems for either free or a minimal charge as long as they are not a result of neglect/misuse.

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      • #4
        norcalAF
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Jul 2012
        • 1654

        Look on gun broker or buds guns for recent pricing, but understand that some off roster stuff still commands a premium even used due to scarcity.
        On roster or off roster makes no difference for PPT
        Check the sellers itrader feedback, and post feedback when you're done with your transaction to close the loop.

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        • #5
          Kickstand
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2019
          • 87

          No expert here, but I did just do one.
          Originally posted by denfa
          1. What are the minimum requirements (of both parties) needed to complete a PPT in California? (I.e., Are there any particular questions people forget to ask and/or items people forget to bring during their interaction with the other party & FFL? Are there any other restrictions to PPTs besides the normal CA rules and regulations associated with buying a firearm directly from an FFL?)
          Not much different than a dealer sale. My (now defunct) Handgun Safety Certificate was way expired and I needed to take the test for a new FSC. Bring proof of current address. Car registration works- CA DOJ website has the list of acceptable examples; DL address needs to be current and match.
          Originally posted by denfa
          2. Once both parties meet at an agreed-upon FFL, what happens next? What does the process actually look like from start to finish? Is this something that needs to be scheduled?
          You show up to the FFL together at the same time. Other party brings gun and their ID, you bring payment, ID, proof of address, and your FSC (unless exempted, and if you're exempted you wouldn't need this FAQ). Or go early and take FSC- is a 10min deal if you are decent at taking multiple choice tests in English. Scheduling depends on FFL, but if you wander in at a peak weekend time I would imagine you would get the stinkeye. They aren't making $ off this and that would just be rude in my book. Process is relatively painless and consists of FFL asking a bunch of questions you all say "no" to and you checking a bunch of boxes while muttering to yourself "I can't believe CA makes us do this crap."
          Originally posted by denfa
          3. When (and this goes back to the above question) is the money given to the seller and what type of documentation is associated with this transfer?
          Payment is given to seller by your mutually agreed upon means. Venmo, cash, check, beads and feathers, oral. Up to you. There's no sales tax and no price is recorded on any paperwork.
          Originally posted by denfa
          4. What happens if the buyer's background check gets denied during the 10 day waiting period? (I.e., What happens to the money and what happens to the firearm?)
          Once the FFL finished taking the sellers ID and had them fill out their side of the paperwork, the dealer said "The gun is no longer yours, you can leave now," while I stayed to finish some forms. There are some posts on here about this subject, but I have no experience with this so can't say for sure.
          Originally posted by denfa
          5. How does one go about assessing the quality and condition of the firearm they are looking to buy? What things should you look for? How can someone ensure that the information the seller is providing about the firearm is accurate (mods, rounds fired, reason for selling, etc.)?
          Caveat emptor. Like buying a car- if you don't know anything about firearms then bring someone who does. If buying here check their iTrader for past success, or just read old posts of theirs. You could ask to meet the seller at a range to try it out before heading to FFL, but I wouldn't take a 'no' to that request as reason to suspect there's an issue. Personally I wouldn't meet some stranger off the internet at a range and hand them a gun unless they came with one of their own as well, even then not sure I'd go through that hassle. Most folks here seem really nice; some folks seem sketchy AF. As far as handguns go (I know zero-all about long guns and only slightly more than that on handguns)- I'll check the general mechanical nature (does magazine seat and eject, does slide move / lock and release easily, how is the trigger pull, if you have a dummy cap feed one through and check manual ejection, how well was the gun maintained, break it down, visually inspect internal wear, springs, pin, hows the barrel... You can do all this in a couple minutes.) The biggest thing in my book is evaluating the seller- ask question about the gun, their use of it, about them as a individual- walk away if things don't feel right.
          Originally posted by denfa
          6. Differences in PPTs with off-roster vs. on-roster handguns?
          PPT is exempt from roster. The firearm can't be "illegal"- like you can't buy a machine gun just because it's PPT.
          Originally posted by denfa
          7. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, what are the inherent risks associated with buying a firearm through a PPT? What happens if one encounters troubles with said firearm after the transaction is complete?
          See #5. PPT is practically the only way you'll get off-roster, and the price will reflect that. Or maybe you're getting a good deal, so giving up the warranty or LGS support is worth it. Or Maybe you want to buy more than 1 handgun in a 30 day period (PPT is exempt from that too).
          Originally posted by denfa
          8. Side-note: If you feel like there is other information that is pertinent to PPTs and isn't already covered by the above questions, feel free to share your thoughts.
          If you are at the point of successfully picking up your gun, congratulations on jumping through the CA hoops! Once you lay hands on the gun, you are now liable for the rest of the ridiculous laws. Do you know how to legally transport your firearm and ammunition? Does your city have local ordinances? Bring a case if the seller didn't include one.
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          • #6
            edgerly779
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Aug 2009
            • 19871

            No warranties from seller for firearm in PPT. Inspect pay before dros and do dros. Do dros at ffl that releases upon undetermined.

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            • #7
              Great Made America
              Member
              • Nov 2017
              • 468

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              • #8
                Wall
                Junior Member
                • Sep 2017
                • 95

                DROS

                Question
                My drivers license just expired and i need to Dros will they accept my DL
                I have my passport and a couple utility bills not sure if that works

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                • #9
                  70 Cutlass
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2019
                  • 22

                  Originally posted by Wall
                  Question
                  My drivers license just expired and i need to Dros will they accept my DL
                  I have my passport and a couple utility bills not sure if that works
                  I'm sure your DL needs to be current. They will not accept your passport because it doesn't have your address on it.

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