HELP! DOJ requesting pictures when registering firearms

[RickD427]

A question for the group. Is the now detached threaded barrel legal in CA if not mounted? Just wondering how pissant DOJ is.

There is no law prohibiting the simple possession of a threaded handgun barrel that is not mounted on a semi-auto pistol.

There are also no laws prohibiting the possession of a revolver, or a rifle, having a threaded barrel.

But you should be aware of the case of People v Nguyen. If you have a detached treaded barrel and the prosecutor can show that you had the intent to attach it to a semi-auto pistol at some future point, then you can be convicted of the crime of attempted possession of an assault weapon.

[Tango_Down]

Dibs on your guns.

Those will be taken by the DOJ. Dibs on his house since he won't be living there after the DOJ take him too.

[Forced_2_Cali]

Those will be taken by the DOJ. Dibs on his house since he won't be living there after the DOJ take him too.

Brutal crowd! Take the dog too!

[Tango_Down]

Brutal crowd! Take the dog too!

No, they'll shoot the dog.

[Tarmy]

Welcome to the game we all get to play OP...

You are close enough to the cliff edge...that a conversation with a qualified attorney, in these matters, would be the best bet...before you do anything with DOJ...

Did you bring any nice cars here? Dibs...

[Redeyedrider]

There is no law prohibiting the simple possession of a threaded handgun barrel that is not mounted on a semi-auto pistol.

There are also no laws prohibiting the possession of a revolver, or a rifle, having a threaded barrel.

But you should be aware of the case of People v Nguyen. If you have a detached treaded barrel and the prosecutor can show that you had the intent to attach it to a semi-auto pistol at some future point, then you can be convicted of the crime of attempted possession of an assault weapon.

Even if your intent is to attach it in the future while out of state?

[RickD427]

Even if your intent is to attach it in the future while out of state?

Good question. Nguyen didn't address the issue of where the assembly would have occurred.

As a simple matter of jurisdiction, I can appreciate the argument that an intent to assemble out of state would not violate California law.

But as a matter of precedent, Nguyen doesn't require that showing.

[ar15barrels]

Hi all,

New to CA and as such I am registering my firearms with DOJ. Prior to moving here, I spent a ton of time researching the laws and even joined Calguns in late 2018, referred by a friend, to attain additional perspective. I submitted all paperwork with $19 fee. Just received a letter from DOJ, see quote below, requesting pictures of some firearms. The firearms in question are, Walther P22 (PPQ version), AR Multi-Cal (setup as AR-15 featureless), and Benelli M4 LE (adjustable stock was fixed/locked in place). I am still acquainting myself with the unconstitutional laws of CA, but this request by the DOJ seemed odd as I thought it is the responsibility of the owner to comply with the laws. Being new to the state, I may be just paranoid, but wanted to ask the community. If I do comply with the DOJ's request am I registering the Multi-Cal AR as an AW, may have no choice? Why the request for images on the other ones? I would appreciate your expertise and insight. Thank you!

I plan to call the DOJ to inquire on this further to understand the request for detail pictures and to confirm I am not registering any of the firearms as an AW.

"Please provide pictures for your firearm below. Please ensure they are clear and full-length pictures of both sides of the firearm and includes at least one close up that shows the serial number, magazine release, make and model. Please resubmit your CRIS Reporting Form with the pictures to expedite processing."

Those 3 specific guns have the possibility of being assault weapons or are not marked with the caliber so that's why they are requesting pictures.
You will not be able to bring in your Walther P22 if it has a threaded barrel or your Benelli M4 LE if it has a collapsible stock.
The AR Multi-Cal needs to have a caliber engraved on the reciever or barrel.
The barrel probably already does so make sure to include a picture of the barrel markings.
Also include pictures and make a statement of how the stock is fixed on the Benelli and how the thread protector is perm attached if your P22 has a threaded barrel.
Do NOT send in pictures of illegally configured guns such as a P22 with threaded barrel or a Benelli M4 LE with a collapsible stock.

[MyOdessa]

1. I would not send photos.
2. Would send letter to DOJ requesting further info and legal authority for their request.

You may want to read this thread, it does cover your situation.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1488400&highlight=Pushback

[champu]

[hi5]

You still own guns!?

Myself and many others here lost our firearms in a tragic boating accident.

Hopefully your forthcoming with information doesn't lead to your subsequent incarceration.

Bear in mind, ATF and DOJ trolls these threads and they aren't intrested in assisting you. They'd rather curb stomp you

[SkyHawk]

Welcome to CA, where your first official act has to be giving the proverbial middle finger to the CA DOJ. Call it an initiation into the CA gun owner club.

[beanz2]

For the legal eagles here, how advisable is it for him to keep the firearms he is attempting to register out of state until he receives his paperwork for CA-DOJ?


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[big red]

keeping them is not the hard part but keeping them where they cannot serve warrants might be another story. One might consider hiding them someplace they might not look that is away from your residence or have justifiable cause to search while legal status is being worked out. and make sure you know what is covered in any search warrant if it comes down to that and what makes DOJ think they are in the requested search area. but if it gets ugly a lawyer is usually worth the money but chose wisely.

[Forced_2_Cali]

Thank you everyone for your perspective. Really appreciate it, including the humor. Well, maybe not the guy who wanted my house. :-P Just trying to be a compliant gun owner who does not want to give up privacy rights to practice our 2A rights. Moving to CA, I cried and even slammed my head into the wall a few times when learning these new gun rules. Even though the laws are silly, hopefully, they will change for the better... did I just make everyone laugh?