FFL03+COE

[SomeGuy75]

Ok with all the new retarded laws California has I just wanted to make sure I am up to date with what I can do with my 03+COE.

Ammunition:
I can purchase ammunition online and have it delivered to my home, if I can find a vendor that still ships to CA.
I can purchase ammunition out of state and bring it into CA.

Rifles:
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old in CA, going through an actual FFL (PPT) and take it home the same day
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can order a rifle 50+ years old online and have it shipped to an FFL (not me) and take it home same day.

Handguns:
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old in CA through an FFL (PPT) and take it home that day
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can purchase more than one modern handgun through an FFL in 30 days, but I still have a 10 day waiting period.

Is all this correct as of 10/10/2019?

[vino68]

Ok with all the new retarded laws California has I just wanted to make sure I am up to date with what I can do with my 03+COE.

Ammunition:
I can purchase ammunition online and have it delivered to my home, if I can find a vendor that still ships to CA.
I can purchase ammunition out of state and bring it into CA.

Rifles:
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old in CA, going through an actual FFL (PPT) and take it home the same day
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can order a rifle 50+ years old online and have it shipped to an FFL (not me) and take it home same day.

Handguns:
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old in CA through an FFL (PPT) and take it home that day
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can purchase more than one modern handgun through an FFL in 30 days, but I still have a 10 day waiting period.

Is all this correct as of 10/10/2019?

Yes. You have a few days to report out of state C&R purchases you bring back yourself. I forget how many days you have to comply.
Here is the forum of online vendors selling to us with 03FFL and COE.
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1406001 Rice Man maintains it and we report adds or deletions of the list.

[IVC]

You also have to keep documentation if you use your FFL03 to transfer firearms. If you don't buy a lot, it might be better to just go through FFL01 and avoid the drama.

[CessnaDriver]

You should be able to purchase in CA a C&R rifle from a non licensee within CA, take immediate possession, and report as usual. I think it can be shipped to your home still, but last time I checked there was some debate on that as things change so quick.

Someone correct me if any of that is wrong.

[vino68]

You should be able to purchase in CA a C&R rifle from a non licensee within CA, take immediate possession, and report as usual. I think it can be shipped to your home still, but last time I checked there was some debate on that as things change so quick.

Someone correct me if any of that is wrong.

No longer can a C&R long gun be shipped to you directly.

[ugimports]

Ok with all the new retarded laws California has I just wanted to make sure I am up to date with what I can do with my 03+COE.

Ammunition:
I can purchase ammunition online and have it delivered to my home, if I can find a vendor that still ships to CA.
I can purchase ammunition out of state and bring it into CA.

Rifles:
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old in CA, going through an actual FFL (PPT) and take it home the same day
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can order a rifle 50+ years old online and have it shipped to an FFL (not me) and take it home same day.

Handguns:
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old in CA through an FFL (PPT) and take it home that day
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old outside of CA and bring it back with me, as long as I complete the required form.
I can purchase more than one modern handgun through an FFL in 30 days, but I still have a 10 day waiting period.

Is all this correct as of 10/10/2019?

Also
Rifles:
I can purchase a rifle 50+ years old in CA, going through an actual FFL (non-PPT) and take it home the same day
I can purchase a C&R rifle < 50 years old in CA, going through an actual FFL (non-PPT) and take it home the same day

Handguns:
I can purchase a handgun 50+ years old in CA through an FFL (non-PPT) and take it home that day
I can purchase a C&R handgun < 50 years old in CA through an FFL (non-PPT) and take it home that day

There are some C&R classified firearms < 50 years old (on some ATF list).

[SVT-40]

You also have to keep documentation if you use your FFL03 to transfer firearms. If you don't buy a lot, it might be better to just go through FFL01 and avoid the drama.

You don't "use" a C&R license to transfer firearms. You "are" licensed and as such are required to log ALL C&R firearms you acquire into your bound book while you are licensed.

[bigstick61]

No longer can a C&R long gun be shipped to you directly.

My understanding is that the law changed such that you can no longer have a rifle shipped to you from out of State or from a non-CA resident, but that a CA resident in CA can still ship directly to your home. At least that's what I read when I last looked it up (admittedly a few months ago).

[IVC]

You don't "use" a C&R license to transfer firearms. You "are" licensed and as such are required to log ALL C&R firearms you acquire into your bound book while you are licensed.

There seems to be some debate about this - the conservative interpretation is that every C&R firearm must be recorded in the bound book regardless of whether FFL03 was used or needed to acquire it. Then, there are detractors who interpret it differently (and who might be playing with fire).

I would be grateful if you could point to the relevant BATFE regulations.

[Hinnerk]

Here you go:

There is no ambiguity to "each". The difference in purchasing from a dealer is the way it is entered into the bound book.

[SVT-40]

There seems to be some debate about this - the conservative interpretation is that every C&R firearm must be recorded in the bound book regardless of whether FFL03 was used or needed to acquire it. Then, there are detractors who interpret it differently (and who might be playing with fire).

I would be grateful if you could point to the relevant BATFE regulations.

As posted above... It's a legal requirement to log every single C&R firearm a licensed collector acquires while that collector is licensed..

Same for disposing of any C&R firearm. If it leaves your collection for any reason you are required to log it out of your book and list where it went.

End of story. Some people also think the world is flat. Their opinion doesn't matter. Because facts trump opinions.

See the sig line below.

[IVC]

As posted above... It's a legal requirement to log every single C&R firearm a licensed collector acquires while that collector is licensed..

I can see that the wording looks that way, although it would look the same if the intent was to refer only to those firearms that are obtained using the C&R license. Just an observation...

Any prosecutions that you are aware of? This is also regulation, so there must be federal penal code behind it that would specify violations and penalties. (I'm genuinely interested, not disputing what you said.)

[hardlyworking]

IVC - I would hope people would give you of all ppl the benefit of the doubt that you were serious and not messing with them.

[Hinnerk]

I can see that the wording looks that way, although it would look the same if the intent was to refer only to those firearms that are obtained using the C&R license. Just an observation...

Any prosecutions that you are aware of? This is also regulation, so there must be federal penal code behind it that would specify violations and penalties. (I'm genuinely interested, not disputing what you said.)

Here you go:

licensed collector knowingly to make any false entry in, to fail to make appropriate entry in, or to fail to properly maintain, any record which he is required to keep pursuant to section 923 of this chapter or regulations promulgated thereunder.

licensed collector who knowingly—
(A) makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by the provisions of this chapter to be kept in the records of a person licensed under this chapter, or
(B) violates subsection (m) of section 922,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

[SVT-40]

I can see that the wording looks that way, although it would look the same if the intent was to refer only to those firearms that are obtained using the C&R license. Just an observation...

Any prosecutions that you are aware of? This is also regulation, so there must be federal penal code behind it that would specify violations and penalties. (I'm genuinely interested, not disputing what you said.)

The wording doesn't "look that way" it is that way. See above

"Intent" doesn't matter. The actual written legal language in the code matters.

I can't see how any adult who applies for a C&R license can be so ignorant of the laws and rules which govern their behavior.

Because knowingly violating those laws can lead to being a felon.