PPT transfer. Does the 30 day rule still apply?

[fendter]

Does the 30 day waiting time rule still apply if a transfer is person to person at the FFL?

Thanks

[ohsmily]

No, handguns transferred via PPTs are exempt from the 1 every 30 day limit.

But, understand that if the gun is being shipped to your FFL by the seller (regardless of who the seller is) it is no longer a PPT but a standard FFL transfer in which case you will be subject to the CA Approved Handgun list and the 30 day limit.

Long guns are not subject to the 30 day limit regardless of the transfer method.

[Dump1567]

If your refering to 1 handgun every 30 days, PPT are exempt from this law. Buy as many as you want.

[VeryCoolCat]

Then theres the other way that the DOJ will try to fix one day.

If you have a COE (Certificate of Eligability which is not hard to get) and a C&R 03 FFL (not hard to get, just wait between 1-4 months after you apply) then you can bypass the 1 handgun per month rule.

Not all FFLs will accept this rule, but the DOJ accepts it so you don't get a declined dros back. This might one day be closed.

[Outlaw Josey Wales]

Then theres the other way that the DOJ will try to fix one day.

If you have a COE (Certificate of Eligability which is not hard to get) and a C&R 03 FFL (not hard to get, just wait between 1-4 months after you apply) then you can bypass the 1 handgun per month rule.

Not all FFLs will accept this rule, but the DOJ accepts it so you don't get a declined dros back. This might one day be closed.

This whole one per thirty days rule is about nothing more than infringing on our Second Amendment Rights, period!

[CALI-gula]

No, handguns transferred via PPTs are exempt from the 1 every 30 day limit.

But, understand that if the gun is being shipped to your FFL by the seller (regardless of who the seller is) it is no longer a PPT but a standard FFL transfer in which case you will be subject to the CA Approved Handgun list and the 30 day limit.

Long guns are not subject to the 30 day limit regardless of the transfer method.

True, EXCEPT in places like the city of Los Angeles, where dealers within the city abide by a city sales ordinance that applies to ANY handgun transactions - it's one-per-30-days for all PPT and Consignment handguns. You have ex-LA City Council member Mike Feuer to thank for that one, as well as being the genesis for the 1-per-30 day law later being spread state-wide.

And what is Mike Feuer doing now? He's is running for the Assembly in the 42nd District against a very weak Republican candidate (it's West Hollywood folks), the very post that Paul Koretz (author of AB50 and AB352) is vacating due to term limits.

So if doing your PPT, avoid doing it at Turner's in Reseda.

[Whitesmoke]

Then theres the other way that the DOJ will try to fix one day.

If you have a COE (Certificate of Eligability which is not hard to get) and a C&R 03 FFL (not hard to get, just wait between 1-4 months after you apply) then you can bypass the 1 handgun per month rule.

Not all FFLs will accept this rule, but the DOJ accepts it so you don't get a declined dros back. This might one day be closed.

Does that only apply to C&R handguns? Or all handguns? And where can I find that exemption? Thanks!

[ohsmily]

True, EXCEPT in places like the city of Los Angeles, where dealers within the city abide by a city sales ordinance that applies to ANY handgun transactions - it's one-per-30-days for all PPT and Consignment handguns. You have ex-LA City Council member Mike Feuer to thank for that one, as well as being the genesis for the 1-per-30 day law later being spread state-wide.

And what is Mike Feuer doing now? He's is running for the Assembly in the 42nd District against a very weak Republican candidate (it's West Hollywood folks), the very post that Paul Koretz (author of AB50 and AB352) is vacating due to term limits.

So if doing your PPT, avoid doing it at Turner's in Reseda.

I had not heard this. BUT, even if true (which it may very well be), there is NO WAY they can monitor this. The only way this would affect you is if you do it at the same dealer more than once in 30 days and he doesn't allow it, OR you tell a dealer that you did one less than 30 days before and then he doesn't allow it. Other than that, what infrastructure is in place to prevent you from doing 5 transfers in one month at different dealers in the LA area....nothing.

P.S. if this restriction in LA is true, it is probably not constitutional as per the CALIFORNIA (not the US) Constitution. Same goes for the barrel length restriction in Reseda. [loosely worded] "The state intends to occupy the entire field of firearms regulation" (this precludes cities and individual municipalities from enacting their own regs).

[zinfull]

Whitesmoke

It is in the laws but that does not make it so. Many dealers will not DROS you two modern handguns in 30 days. Their shop their rules. Just find a dealer that knows what the law states and you will be OK.

12072.
(9)(A) No person shall make an application to purchase more than one pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within any 30-day period.
(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any of the following:

(ix) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.


Jerry

[VeryCoolCat]

Does that only apply to C&R handguns? Or all handguns? And where can I find that exemption? Thanks!

Okay Heres some info. Heres someone who has used this ability.

I have done multiple handgun purchases muliple times (I have a valid C&R FFL and valid COE, and am thus exempt from the "one handgun per thirty days" limit), and while my dealer always fills out the extra ATF paperwork for multiple handgun purchases, I have never received a call about it, from the ATF or LE agency. He often asks me whether I am contacted. Perhaps having the C&R FFL helps, as a licensed collector may be expected to make multiple handgun purchases. I dunno.

And heres the link-

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/pubfaqs.htm#23

I am a collector of firearms and I want to purchase a pair of consecutively-numbered pistols. Does the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction apply?

No. If you possess a valid federal Curio Relics Collector's license and a valid California Certificate of Eligibility, you are exempt from the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction.

The DOJ made either a purpose decision or a mistake that if you have a COE & a C&R ffl then you can buy more than one handgun per month. That it applies to ALL handguns not just C&R.

If your FFL doesn't beleive it... tell them to do a 2 handgun transfer and it won't come back decline.

[CALI-gula]

I had not heard this. BUT, even if true (which it may very well be), there is NO WAY they can monitor this. The only way this would affect you is if you do it at the same dealer more than once in 30 days and he doesn't allow it, OR you tell a dealer that you did one less than 30 days before and then he doesn't allow it. Other than that, what infrastructure is in place to prevent you from doing 5 transfers in one month at different dealers in the LA area....nothing.

P.S. if this restriction in LA is true, it is probably not constitutional as per the CALIFORNIA (not the US) Constitution. Same goes for the barrel length restriction in Reseda. [loosely worded] "The state intends to occupy the entire field of firearms regulation" (this precludes cities and individual municipalities from enacting their own regs).

The problem has two fronts for us; while the state-preemption law keeps municipalities and counties from banning possession of certain firearms, it still allows them to ban sales of certain firearms due to their command over local business and zoning codes or ordinances.

The second is to convince a dealer to break these city ordinances, knowingly putting his business in jeopardy, just so we can benefit in owning more guns - something they won't do for fear of being raided and shut down by DOJ, even if for a day, specifically which happened to Turner's Outdoorsman in Reseda for selling "ultra-compact" handgun accessories - like holsters.

As far as monitoring it, the few dealers in LA (and I believe there are only 2 left that actually sell handguns) simply check their internal records. Turner's is hardcore about it, very thorough. I was also under the impression that the DROS submission by zip code has an alert that indicates the local ordinance preventing multiple PPT and Consignments on handguns. That might just be irrational fear - only a dealer within one of these restricting areas could confirm this for sure.


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[Shotgun Man]

The problem has two fronts for us; while the state-preemption law keeps municipalities and counties from banning possession of certain firearms, it still allows them to ban sales of certain firearms due to their command over local business and zoning codes or ordinances.

The second is to convince a dealer to break these city ordinances, knowingly putting his business in jeopardy, just so we can benefit in owning more guns - something they won't do for fear of being raided and shut down by DOJ, even if for a day, specifically which happened to Turner's Outdoorsman in Reseda for selling "ultra-compact" handgun accessories - like holsters.

As far as monitoring it, the few dealers in LA (and I believe there are only 2 left that actually sell handguns) simply check their internal records. Turner's is hardcore about it, very thorough. I was also under the impression that the DROS submission by zip code has an alert that indicates the local ordinance preventing multiple PPT and Consignments on handguns. That might just be irrational fear - only a dealer within one of these restricting areas could confirm this for sure.


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It was either resurrect this thread or start anew. I've searched but I can't find my answer.

What is the statute/ordinance that purportedly limits handgun purchases within the city of los angeles to one per month (even PPTs)?

[Moonclip]

The second is to convince a dealer to break these city ordinances, knowingly putting his business in jeopardy, just so we can benefit in owning more guns - something they won't do for fear of being raided and shut down by DOJ, even if for a day, specifically which happened to Turner's Outdoorsman in Reseda for selling "ultra-compact" handgun accessories - like holsters.

As far as monitoring it, the few dealers in LA (and I believe there are only 2 left that actually sell handguns) simply check their internal records. Turner's is hardcore about it, very thorough. I was also under the impression that the DROS submission by zip code has an alert that indicates the local ordinance preventing multiple PPT and Consignments on handguns. That might just be irrational fear - only a dealer within one of these restricting areas could confirm this for sure.


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Who is the other dealer in LA city limits that sells handguns? And I'd love to hear the whole being closed for ultra compact holster story. Does Reseda Turners sell for example .25acp ammo? I'm surprised if they do in a way since it can only really feed an ultra compact gun.

[Stormfeather]

Does the 30 day waiting time rule still apply if a transfer is person to person at the FFL?

Thanks

nope

[Shotgun Man]

Who is the other dealer in LA city limits that sells handguns?

I know the Army Navy Store in Downtown San Pedro sells handguns (this is within city of LA).

Are there any others in LA city?