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  • TrappedinCalifornia
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2018
    • 10137

    How Do You Confiscate That Many So-Called "Assault Weapons?"

    I guess when someone asks the obvious, the gun confiscation crowd gets a little muddled (okay... downright non-responsive) coming up with an answer. The following article asks the question in the headline; but, never gets around to actually answering it.

    In gun buyback talk, how do you round up so many weapons?

    Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke's recent vow to take away people's AR-15 and AK-47 rifles raised one big question: How is it possible to round up the millions of such guns that exist in the United States?...

    O'Rourke believes that most people would follow the law and turn their weapons in under his proposal...

    Cory Booker has proposed a similar program that would involve civil penalties for those who fail to comply and hand in their AR-15s. They would not be subject to criminal offenses, however...

    Chipman [a retired BATFE agent] believes an assault weapon ban should be handled similar to the machine gun rules, requiring they be registered and heavily regulated but not confiscated...

    Even some self-identified liberals who own firearms question the legality of gun confiscation and even the practicality...
    The article notes that even some Liberals are questioning the idea of confiscation and the author never provides an answer as to how such a confiscation would effectively work; instead, simply reiterating "guns bad" and throwing out plans to ban or limit or background checks or...

    Personally, I think the key is found in this passage buried in the article...

    Of the estimated 16 million AR-style guns that are in circulation, about half of them are owned by current or former members of the military or law enforcement, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
    That's just "AR-style" firearms. Even allowing for multiple gun ownership by individuals, once you throw in AK's and all the others generally contained on so-called "assault weapons" lists, it becomes patently obvious where the problem lies; i.e., millions of individuals own an even greater number of millions of so-called "assault weapons." Congress isn't going to authorize anywhere near a 'fair market value' and no politician is going to be too thrilled with the idea of the total cost. In addition, they know that Beto's "they will turn them in" isn't going to work and that Booker's civil penalties won't be sufficiently intimidating to 'force' many gun owners into giving up their guns.

    Inevitably, what they are left with is a virtual 'police state,' covert and open resistance, not to mention the optics of Left-Wing politicians standing at a podium screeching, with law enforcement officers, potentially military personnel, and otherwise law-abiding citizens dying in door-to-door efforts.

    Registered and heavily regulated? How'd that work out, overall, in New York, California, etc.? As an example...

    ...That data shows massive noncompliance with the assault weapon registration requirement. Based on an estimate from the National Shooting Sports Federation, about 1 million firearms in New York State meet the law’s assault-weapon criteria, but just 44,000 have been registered. That’s a compliance rate of about 4 percent. Capanna said that the high rate of noncompliance with the law could only be interpreted as a large-scale civil disobedience, given the high level of interest and concern about the law on the part of gun owners...
    In California?

    ...The Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) said the likely registration rate of "bullet-button assault weapons" was only about 3 percent of the total number of firearms in California that fall under the state's latest expansion of its "assault weapons" ban. State documents obtained by the group through freedom of information requests show the Department of Justice approved 6,213 individuals to register 12,519 firearms under the new law by the end of June. It rejected a further 1,373 registration attempts. As of June 30, 2018, 52,443 applications for registration were pending... Using data on gun sales from state records and the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the group estimated there were 1.3 million firearms sold in California that would fall under the registration requirements. They estimated an additional half-million home-built firearms fall in the same category...
    While 'ordinary use' might be curtailed (to whatever degree), it appears that even in the Liberal controlled states of New York and California, noncompliance seems to be the order of the day when it comes to just registration. Ultimately, that returns us how a nationwide confiscation would work. In short, there doesn't seem to be an answer or, at least, not one anyone is willing to publicly contemplate.
    Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 09-22-2019, 2:20 PM.
  • #2
    Dano3467
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2013
    • 7381

    So does answering this give ideas to you know who ?

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    • #3
      CoopsDad
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 1710

      Funny they have a plan on confiscating 16,000,000+++ AR-15 type weapons s (plus AKs and other "assault weapons") from law abiding citizens but they can't figure out how to deport 12,000,000+ illegal aliens.

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      • #4
        P5Ret
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2010
        • 6388

        They have no clue how to accomplish it, but it does make a great sound bite.

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        • #5
          sbo80
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 2265

          the NY to CA comparison is a little off however, as in CA there was a legal alternative to registration. Many chose to convert to featureless instead. That's not really "civil disobedience" as it was explicitly allowed. And consider the poor sharing of information to the public, there's many oblivious CA "assault-weapon" owners who are not thumbing their nose to the man, but truly have no idea they are now criminals.

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          • #6
            Jeepergeo
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 3506

            The Feds and States will likely rely on local law enforcement organizations. Some law enforcement organizations will refuse to cooperate, just like with turning in illegal entrants, but most in places like California and New York will cooperate and do their bidding...perhaps with little bones thrown to them like LEOs can keep their own if they cooperate with the Feds and State officials.

            "Sir, our records show you have an AR type weapon...please lead us to it so we may take it away per Law @#$%%. You can put in a claim on your taxes"

            "Officer, I do not recognize this law and do not invite you into my home."

            " Sir, you are obstructing a lawful search...kneel down and hands behind your head so we can cuff you and search your home."

            1 hour later, the house has been tossed, and Corporal Dangle reports to Captain Gilligan that nothing was found.

            " Sir, we know you have ARs...we will be watching you and we'll be back."

            "Why are you doing this?"

            "Sir...we are just following orders...Sir...we will be back...see you at the kids Little League game next week...thanks for coaching my son's team....I can't do much cause I'm so busy working OT to pick up guns from all these folks."
            Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
            Life Member, California Rifle and Pistol Association

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            • #7
              Jeepergeo
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 3506

              The Feds and States will likely rely on local law enforcement organizations. Some law enforcement organizations will refuse to cooperate, just like with turning in illegal entrants, but most in places like California and New York will cooperate and do their bidding...perhaps with little bones thrown to them like LEOs can keep their own if they cooperate with the Feds and State officials.

              Local police (in SWAT gear) arrive at residents well kept residential home and bang on the door with a night stick.

              "Sir, our records show you have an AR type weapon...please lead us to it so we may take it away per Law @#$%%. You can put in a claim on your taxes for this taking."

              "Officer, I do not recognize this law and do not invite you into my home."

              " Sir, you are obstructing a lawful search...kneel down and hands behind your head so we can cuff you and search your home."

              1 hour later, the house has been tossed, and Corporal Dangle reports to Captain Gilligan that nothing was found.

              "Sir, we know you have ARs...we will be watching you and we'll be back."

              "Why are you doing this?"

              "Sir...we are just following orders...Sir...we will be back...see you at the kids Little League game next week...thanks for coaching my son's team....I can't do much cause I'm so busy working OT to pick up guns from all these folks."
              Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
              Life Member, California Rifle and Pistol Association

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              • #8
                B.J.F.
                Veteran Member
                • May 2006
                • 2985

                1. It’s not possible

                2. They can try, people like me will not comply and they will be picking a fight.

                3. It’s honestly never going to happen because it will piss off a good portion of their own base that leans conservative left.

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                • #9
                  Dan_Eastvale
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 10660

                  Do several home raids with media present and broadcast on all channels to frighten the rest into compliance.

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                  • #10
                    B.J.F.
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2006
                    • 2985

                    Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
                    Do several home raids with media present and broadcast on all channels to frighten the rest into compliance.

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                    • #11
                      warbird
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 2049

                      but that could risk mass resistance by the public. A near example happened in the 1970's during the period when Patty Hearst was kidnapped and cops were killed in sacramento by snipers. Cops would be pressing their luck because it takes nothing to start ambushing police on patrol and laying siege on police buildings. this is not something cops actually are prepared to thwart even though they pretend they are. they only make up a very small portion of a local population and it would only take a reasonable amount of the general population to turn it into a slaughter that could not be stopped. what would happen to politicians who started this type of uprising by pushing the general public or a portion of it to such action? Pushing such a series of raids could be the spark to light the powder keg and i doubt either side wants this.

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                      • #12
                        BigPimping
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 21462

                        Don't believe the liberal hype.

                        They're threatening to do so but don't have the resources or the infrastructure to do that.
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                        • #13
                          Epaphroditus
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 4888

                          In WA a Ruger 10/22 is defined as an assault weapon.
                          CA firearms laws timeline BLM land maps

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                          • #14
                            Nvberinger
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2018
                            • 729

                            Hire illegal aliens. After all they don't mind trespassing into everyones property.
                            Besides they are cheap and don't complain.

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                            • #15
                              onelonehorseman
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 4888

                              Originally posted by BigPimping
                              Don't believe the liberal hype.

                              They're threatening to do so but don't have the resources or the infrastructure to do that.
                              ^this
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