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  • Wordupmybrotha
    From anotha motha
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2013
    • 6965

    Freakonomics: swimming pools vs guns

    I think these guys are liberals. Even they admit that swimming pools are more dangerous for kids than guns. I was about to suggest showing this to a liberal, but I doubt they'll believe it.



  • #2
    tabascoz28
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 3364

    Both are bad parenting, but one has a potential to kill everyone else in the pool.
    The other one, the more people that are around, the more chances the kid will be saved.

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    • #3
      seal20
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 3081

      Actually, the more people around the greater the chance the child will down due to the parents "social distraction"

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      • #4
        tabascoz28
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2016
        • 3364

        Not trying to prove a point, just a story.
        My Dad jumped in the pool to save my sister 40 years ago. Before the $1k phones, FOBs and pagers. Today he might have hesitated a half second... LOL

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        • #5
          Squatch
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2018
          • 886

          I've been making this argument for years. But it doesnt matter what facts you bring. Liberals adhere to the script given to them by their masters. And their masters simply want us disarmed.

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          • #6
            Mustard
            Senior Member
            • May 2013
            • 563

            can't weaponize a swimming pool (unless you're trying to drown someone in it).

            In both cases, knowledge, situational awareness, and a good guy with some skills are the key to your salvation.

            My near drowning story: was at a pool after-party for my cousin's wedding. Some elementary school age or younger kid was playing around on the steps in the shallow end, surrounded by adults not paying attention. His buoyancy lifts him off the steps and carries him away into water too deep for him to stand, and you can see in his face the panic/fear set it. I caught it from the opposite end of the pool and called for help. Damn adults can't be trusted :P

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            • #7
              RobinGoodfellow
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 836

              Don't Listen

              Originally posted by Squatch
              I've been making this argument for years. But it doesnt matter what facts you bring. Liberals adhere to the script given to them by their masters. And their masters simply want us disarmed.

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              Facts are tools of the cis-hetero-normative patriarchy.

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              • #8
                Wordupmybrotha
                From anotha motha
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2013
                • 6965

                Originally posted by Mustard
                can't weaponize a swimming pool (unless you're trying to drown someone in it).
                If the goal is to save children's lives, then there should be more public outcry to prevent children drowning. Even without being weaponized, more kids drown in pools than shot to death. Just imagine if pools were weaponized, as you said.

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                • #9
                  Wordupmybrotha
                  From anotha motha
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 6965

                  Originally posted by tabascoz28
                  Both are bad parenting, but one has a potential to kill everyone else in the pool.
                  The other one, the more people that are around, the more chances the kid will be saved.
                  That's the point. Has potential, but doesn't happen as people irrationally fear.

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                  • #10
                    SWalt
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 8644

                    Originally posted by RobinGoodfellow
                    Facts are tools of the cis-hetero-normative patriarchy.
                    Yup, don't bring Western notions of statistics, risk and rational thought here! We just need emotion.
                    ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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                    "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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                    • #11
                      SWalt
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 8644

                      They should have gave some numbers so its kinda a sucky video. Whats sad that even some here when you bring up comparisons of things that have a higher risk of death compared to guns they think it apples/oranges. It doesn't matter if something is done intentionally or accidentally, a death is still a death.
                      ^^^The above is just an opinion.

                      NRA Patron Member
                      CRPA 5 yr Member

                      "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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                      • #12
                        drutledge79
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 705

                        The data is easily attainable. Back in 2001 (using 1997 numbers) had an excerpt like this:

                        In 1997 alone (the last year for which data are available), 742 children under the age of 10 drowned in the United States last year alone. Approximately 550 of those drownings -- about 75 percent of the total -- occurred in residential swimming pools. According to the most recent statistics, there are about six million residential pools, meaning that one young child drowns annually for every 11,000 pools.

                        About 175 children under the age of 10 died in 1998 as a result of guns. About two-thirds of those deaths were homicides. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the United States. Doing the math, there is roughly one child killed by guns for every one million guns.

                        Thus, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.
                        To be a devil's advocate: I don't think it is necessarily fair to compare "total residential pools" to "total civilian firearms owned." More like "total households with firearms" vs. the total *number* of firearms.

                        In any case, the numbers are clear and not known by many people. Just like the number of deaths due to "assault weapons" lagging behind falling off ladders and "hands and feet."

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                        • #13
                          Wordupmybrotha
                          From anotha motha
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 6965

                          If we compare gun deaths per household with guns, instead of number of firearms, it's 5 deaths per million. Still pales in comparison to 1 drowning per 11,000 pools.

                          Number of households in 1998: 102.53 million



                          % of households with guns in 1998: 34.8%



                          35.68 million households with guns.

                          175 gun deaths/35.68 million = 5 deaths per million households

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