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  • what2be
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 597

    For those bashing NO sales to CA...

    Its been interesting to read all the posts about the gunbroker auctions that wont sell to ca, as well as the thread on Larue not selling lowers to CA.
    The general consensus on here was that many people will not do business with dealers or MFG's that dont ship to CA. I recently tried to buy a .22 and had a similar experience.

    When I went to buy my .22 Anshutz rifle, the only place I could find it was in Ohio by a company called Champion shooters supply. A older man I spoke with on the phone said he wasnt set up to sell to ca and didnt think he was ever going to do it either. I just assumed it was alot of paperwork but after asking on here and researching it, I realized it was very simple to do the paperwork to be able to sell and ship to ca. I ended up just shipping it to my ca address, but I had to call the company back to check on shipping and spoke with the wifes owner. I explained to her it was a pain for me to have to travel back to nevada just to get my .22 bolt action rifle and she told me the reason behind why they wont sell to california.

    I cant remember her whole rant, but basically she said CA was breaking federal interstate laws by forcing FFLs to fill out that form to sell and ship to CA, and that she wasnt going to bend to a state that is breaking the law by demanding something like that. She was very insistent that what CA has done is illegal and she and others are taking a stand until the citizens of the state step up and get the law changed.

    I tried to explain to her that we are doing the best we can and are constantly battling the state politicians, but I could tell she was having none of my argument. It just got me thinking, that just like we take a stand about not buying from these out of state FFL dealers, they are doing the same thing with the state of CA.

    It made me think that there are 2 sides to the coin.
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    Deadred7o7
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 620

    Welcome to a free market.
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    • #3
      Darklyte27
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2008
      • 9372

      they probably wouldnt even notice if CA stopped buying from out of state shops because they have 48 other states that will buy from them.
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      • #4
        xLusi0n
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 1009

        I don't blame them for not selling to CA, but by "taking a stand" and not doing so, they are only doing what CA lawmakers wanted in the first place: to deter gun sales to CA.

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        • #5
          Saigon1965
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Nov 2003
          • 17276

          Hear hear -

          Originally posted by xLusi0n
          I don't blame them for not selling to CA, but by "taking a stand" and not doing so, they are only doing what CA lawmakers wanted in the first place: to deter gun sales to CA.

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          • #6
            BamBam-31
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Dec 2005
            • 5318

            Divided we fall. Ingenius.
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            • #7
              Deadred7o7
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 620

              Originally posted by BamBam-31
              Divided we fall. Ingenius.
              Abide by unconstitutional laws we fall.
              "Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes prompted it, but only war and weapons have made it yours." Jeff Cooper

              Order of the Brethren of Canary Asses #19

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              • #8
                762cavalier
                NRA Training Counselor
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2005
                • 3626

                Originally posted by Deadred7o7
                Abide by unconstitutional laws we fall.
                Here we go again

                Do you have a solution or is this just more "NRA sucks, do something" from you.
                In any type of fight, & especially gun fights, there are no winners ..... just varying degrees of losers. The only fight you win is the one you never get into.

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                • #9
                  marc4
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1066

                  "FOLLOW THE MONEY"
                  Thats what the CFLC is all about. Think about it. Who benefits from the CFLC other than the anti-gunners? Gun retailers!!! From what I have read, the CFLC was backed by the Gun retailers of California. There was no opposition to it by any gun groups from what I have seen. Not even the NRA was involved because of the gun retailers.
                  I explained that to an Out-Of State dealer (Dynamic Armaments) and he started to sell to California since he understood that it was a way for them to prevent/discourage him from selling to our state. Why do we like to buy guns/receivers from out of state? Because they are cheaper even with the transfer fees and the local dealers don't like that at all. Now go follow the money...
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                  • #10
                    Deadred7o7
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 620

                    Originally posted by 762cavalier
                    Here we go again

                    Do you have a solution or is this just more "NRA sucks, do something" from you.
                    I said nothing about your beloved NRA.
                    "Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes prompted it, but only war and weapons have made it yours." Jeff Cooper

                    Order of the Brethren of Canary Asses #19

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                    • #11
                      B Strong
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 6367

                      The goal of the anti's is to stop the sale of firearms.

                      Any firearm dealer that decides to not sell legal firearms into California is doing the anti's work for them.
                      The way some gunshop clerks spout off, you'd think that they invented gunpowder and the repeating rifle, and sat on the Supreme Court as well.
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                      • #12
                        WokMaster1
                        Part time Emperor
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 5436

                        that is why the NRA should post a brief summary on what an non California based FFL needs to do to do business in California. It should also do a front page story in American Hunter & Rifleman magazines on the OLL movement & how it all started. Showcase the "right people", OLL manufacturers & FFLs who helped change thing around.

                        This will/might change things when other FFLs or manufacturers see that certain so & so are doing business with us without the CA DOJ harassing them.
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                        • #13
                          what2be
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 597

                          Originally posted by WokMaster1
                          that is why the NRA should post a brief summary on what an non California based FFL needs to do to do business in California. It should also do a front page story in American Hunter & Rifleman magazines on the OLL movement & how it all started. Showcase the "right people", OLL manufacturers & FFLs who helped change thing around.

                          This will/might change things when other FFLs or manufacturers see that certain so & so are doing business with us without the CA DOJ harassing them.
                          This is the best suggestion ive seen yet!

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                          • #14
                            ivanimal
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                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 14357

                            I would have taken my own stand and bought elsewhere. I have the ability to get what I want with people that want to help us, not allow the grabbers to win.
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                            • #15
                              scotthmt
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 2450

                              I think one big mistake the rest of the country is making is ignoring CA. They dont understand that we are the test state, if they can do this crap here they will only try to do it to the rest of the US. As someone else here said 'the rot starts here' and it is so true. When it starts affectin the rest of the country they'll be sorry they didnt help us while they could.

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