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  • Starslinger
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 1486

    Could a shooting range rent out suppressors?

    I know that there are some shooting ranges that will let customers rent fully automatic weapons for supervised use while at that range. What about suppressors? Let's say a person owned some land and wanted to start an outdoor shooting range with proper backstops and whatnot but noise was a concern because there was a residential area or a public use area not too far away. Would it be possible for that range to rent suppressors either for attachment to a customer's own gun or perhaps for use on a rental gun? In California? In other states?
    Last edited by Starslinger; 08-24-2019, 10:16 PM.
  • #2
    tabascoz28
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 3364

    It was my understanding that not all guns work correctly with silencers correctly. Won't cycle correctly?

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    • #3
      Howie44
      C3 Specialist
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Sep 2002
      • 2005

      **suppressors......
      No such thing as a "silencer"

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      • #4
        Starslinger
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2016
        • 1486

        Originally posted by Howie44
        **suppressors......
        No such thing as a "silencer"
        You are right. I changed it.

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        • #5
          Skip_Dog
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 2656

          Potato?

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          • #6
            sigstroker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2009
            • 19586

            Silencer. Hiram Maxim called it a silencer, that's good enough for me.

            As for legally, I'm not sure what the rules are regarding "lending" NFA stuff. ATF like to use the phrase "in control" a lot, which generally means next to the person borrowing it. It's probably why machine gun rental ranges want their employee with you even if you have more machine gun experience than they do.

            Regardless, I would never allow my cans on a customer's gun. Too much chance of them half-assing muzzle devices like a 3 lug mount. You can't tell by looking at it if it's in spec, or even compatible with your can mount. Direct thread mounts need to be tightened occasionally or they will unscrew themselves, and you get baffle strikes. And inevitably people will forget how hot those bastids get and start suing you because they got severe burns.

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            • #7
              nitroxdiver
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2009
              • 6979

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              • #8
                hermosabeach
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2009
                • 19277

                It’s a muffler

                I would be concerned about liability

                Over gas a semi auto rifle

                Have to have a customer remove a brake or flash hider- how many customers can remove a brake???

                Install and check that the threads are concentric with the bore- if a round hits the baffles- it will cause damage

                If everyone has a muffler- it is good- If 1 person does not, then its the same as a straight piped porsche or harley..... you can hear your gun- just theirs


                If noise in an issue- shooting tubes like they use in the Nordic countries.

                A tube with the inside lined with carpet

                Shooter shoots with muzzle inside the 3’ tube
                Last edited by hermosabeach; 08-26-2019, 5:35 PM.
                Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                • #9
                  audiophil2
                  Senior Member
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8736

                  i rent out my silencers. ya form 1 2 3 or 4 one and you will be typing silencer and not suppressor so those that get bent probably never saw those forms.

                  damaging a suppressor is no big deal. ive had baffle strikes. just order new parts and charge the customer for damage. a barrel is strong. a thin silencer is weak. non issue as the weakest part is farthest away and bends instead of explodes.

                  all nfa items must be in control of the owner or responsible person so they cannot be handed out unless there was a way to deny exit from the premises. not likely to have that happen.

                  i let clients use my suppressors on thier guns. i even have pistons for guns i dont own.

                  i also let clients put thier uppers on my selectfire lowers or install auto sears in thier host guns. ive got setups for ar hk and glocks.
                  sigpic


                  Private 10 acre range rentals
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                  • #10
                    sigstroker
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 19586

                    If you have a manufacturer SOT I guess you can order baffles, but if the tube gets messed up, fixing it can be delicate work. If a welded rifle can gets messed up it's basically a write-off because the manufacturers likely won't stand behind a warranty on rented cans.

                    If OP was thinking of renting silencers as an ordinary non-SOT it would be a nightmare. Buying new cans, which you'll probably need to do often with a business like that, takes the better part of a year. I'm a week short of 11 months waiting on my current one.

                    When it cools off, I may pay Phil a visit to rent a 7.62 can.

                    edit: Also might have to look into picking up one of those Flitelite belt fed uppers...
                    Last edited by sigstroker; 08-25-2019, 1:31 AM.

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                    • #11
                      hitdank
                      Member
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 366

                      I have rented for $10 at reno guns and range but you must buy their bullets and they had no subsonics. Unsupervised other than a safety officer, but you leave your info at the counter. If you get a chance to go ask if they still rent out 1/2x28 9mm.

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                      • #12
                        subscriber
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 929

                        Poway Weapons and Gear claim they have silencer rentals "coming soon": https://www.weaponsandgearrange.com/...rearm-rentals/
                        Scroll down to the bottom of "long guns".

                        "Soon", since 2016...

                        I thought silencers were illegal in CA?

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                        • #13
                          edgerly779
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 19871

                          ^^ nother guy that doesn't know that they are called suppressors no such thing as silencers. Probably calls large caps high caps (LOL)

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                          • #14
                            subscriber
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 929

                            Originally posted by edgerly779
                            ^^ nother guy that doesn't know that they are called suppressors no such thing as silencers. Probably calls large caps high caps (LOL)
                            Here is another guy that does not bother to go to the link provided, where he would notice the PW&G range refers to "silencers rentals". So, not my terms.

                            Silencers do not make guns silent, yet Silencerco and Dead Air Silencer Co manufacture and sell "silencers". The joke is on you.


                            Explore Dead Air’s premium suppressors for rifles and pistols. Learn about our silencers, find a dealer, and see why we’re the leader in sound suppression.



                            If I want to call suppressors "mufflers", are you going to correct me again because that is what you do? "Correct" people while using a disdainful tone; because you value post-count over everything else; even when you have nothing of substance to contribute to the discussion?

                            I offer information pertaining to the OP's question, and you do the equivalent of correcting grammar. Makes one wonder if you were blessed with a standard capacity cranium. Speaking of capacity; there are no high cap mags; only standard capacity. What is a large cap?
                            Last edited by subscriber; 08-25-2019, 6:06 AM.

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                            • #15
                              subscriber
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 929

                              Originally posted by Howie44
                              **suppressors......
                              No such thing as a "silencer"
                              Well at least calling it a "silencer" connotes a sound suppressor. Whereas, just "suppressor" could be referring to a flash suppressor...

                              So, no such thing as a suppressor; unless it is preceded by sound or flash.

                              Its all in the context, you say? That is because someone called it a silencer

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